Comment on Child psychiatrist jailed after using AI to make pornographic deep-fakes of kids

• Veraxus@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You realise the AI is being trained on pictures of real children, right?

  Disingenuous and misleading statement. No readily available AI is trained on CP.

  So it’s wrong for it to be based on one child, but according to you the AI “art” (as you keep calling it) is okay as long as there are thousands of victims instead?

  Disingenuous and misleading statement. I’m guessing you don’t understand how AI works. As for AI output, a randomly generated nonexistent person is nonexistent. Simple as that.

  Sidenote: I disapprove of nonconsensual Photoshop and AI illustrations of real people. AI is just another illustrative tool, and the choice of tool is beside the point.

  So you’re cool with images of 6 year olds being penetrated by a 40 year old as long as “tHe Ai DrEw iT sO nObOdY gOt HuRt”?

  No, I am not. And that is still utterly unimportant. It doesn’t matter how I feel about someone’s fictitious illustrations, sculptures, writings, or anything else created by a person or AI that is wholly fictitious.

  That’s literally the whole point I am making: It doesn’t matter how I feel about it, it doesn’t matter how YOU feel about it. It’s not real. Neither you nor I nor anyone else has the right to judge someone else’s art.

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  • sugartits@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s literally the whole point I am making: It doesn’t matter how I feel about it, it doesn’t matter how YOU feel about it. It’s not real. Neither you nor I nor anyone else has the right to judge someone else’s art.

    It does matter how myself and wider society view disgusting content. It matters a lot. And society absolutely has a say of it’s acceptance or otherwise to such content. You saying otherwise is absurd.

    In the same way that I can’t and shouldn’t write something incrediblely racist and pretend it’s ‘art’. Even if AI made it.

    Attempting to give AI child porn a pass, as you are doing for some baffling reason, absolutely will create further harm further down the line.

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    • DaDragon@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’d say it’s because the person you’re replying to rightfully sees it as a slippery slope. If you say this fake image that didn’t directly harm anyone is illegal, what’s to stop you from saying some other fake image that’s much more in line with social tastes is also illegal? Ie an artwork made of human shit, for example. Most people would be repulsed by that. But it doesn’t change the fact that it could be art. As long as it doesn’t concretely harm someone, it’s hard to equate it to said harm.

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      • sugartits@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s child porn.

        Child. Pornography.

        It is not “Art”.

        The slippery slope is people like you confusing the two and trying to somehow justify CP as free speech/art.

        I don’t care how it is made. There is a line. This crosses it. Simple as that.

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      • mayoi@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Oh that’s very simple, it’s irrelevant whether child porn generated by AI is legal or not, it’s reality that you need to possess actual child porn to train AI with it before it can generate more.

        You already incriminate yourself before generating the “”“art”“”.

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  • Rhoeri@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s not art you pedo. Gtfo

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• Elivey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I know you know this, but you are not crazy. I’m astonished you are being down voted so hard. The pedo apology is so strong it’s making me not want to use Lemmy. This thread is worse than reddit.

  Terrifying.

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  • sugartits@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Indeed, it’s making me want to go back to Reddit.

    I left when the API price changes kicked in and at first Lemmy was alright, then the extremists turned up and the echo chamber in here is so ridiculous that there just isn’t much point in being here.

    Not just the pedo apologists (next step will be AI CP actually being posted here and people defending it as “art”), but also seeing that YouTube is trying to stop freeloaders leeching from it and somehow that’s evil literally every single day and seeing how evil cars are literally every single day and seeing how Linux is the next coming of Jesus literally every single day (and I say that as a 20+ year Linux user) is incredibly tedious.

    Sure, this existed on Reddit as well, but at least there was actually other content to dilute it and for the most part people were reasonable instead of the rabid extremism I’m seeing every day here. There is no way in hell I would have seen the up/downvote ratio like I’m seeing in this pedo apologist conversation on Reddit.

    Maybe it’s time to go back.

    Pity. Oh well.

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• papertowels@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You realise the AI is being trained on pictures of real children, right?

  Can you share a source? Just like how people utilize the internet to distribute CP, there are undoubtedly circles where people are using ml for CP. However my understanding is that by and large, popular models are not intentionally exposed to any.

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  • sugartits@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I am categorically not researching that.

    Put it this way…

    The pedofiles that are smart enough to not get caught and use technology like tor and encrypt everything and can figure out how to use stable diffusion will be the pedofiles that have custom models trained on real children.

    And if you and me consider the possibility in a casual conversation online, they have also considered the possibility, heavily researched and implemented it if it’s at all possible. And they know how to not get caught.

    But it’s okay, it’s “art” after all and we can’t ban art… Right… Right?

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    • papertowels@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      …okay, seeing as you haven’t actually done any research, yet arrived at a conclusion, a conversation about this is going to be difficult.

      Let’s get more specific so we can have an actual conversation. When you say “the AI”, what do you mean? Dall-e, midjourney, or some guy training and using their own model on a local computer?

      Are you familiar with large models being able to compose concepts they’ve seen, to produce something not found in its training data?

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      • sugartits@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        What on earth makes you think I wish to have an extended conversation about this?

        Child porn is not art. Even if AI made it.

        Simple as that.

        If you cannot accept that basic premise then I have nothing to say to you.

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