Comment on Satellites Make up to 80,000 Flashing Glints Per Hour. It's a Big Problem for Astronomers - Universe Today

wahming@monyet.cc ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• Chetzemoka@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Or we could regulate the reflectivity of satellites. No one is suggesting we don’t have satellites. Why don’t we do satellites on purpose in a way that still allows us to also do effective astronomy?

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  • beautiful_boater@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They can’t make them non-reflective enough to not interrupt really deep observing. Also, that just shifts the problem around. If they are absorbing in the visible, they will likely have huge amounts of blackbody radiation in IR, sub/millimeter, and radio. You would need to make a satellite out of dark matter to not interrupt astronomy.

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    • UlyssesT@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      How about not putting a bunch of janky constantly-needing-replenishment satellites into orbit to begin with where the only real beneficiaries outside of bullshit “remote” excuses is the US military?

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  • wahming@monyet.cc ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No one is suggesting we shouldn’t have satellites.

    Many astronomers suggested exactly that, they were against the approval of starlink.

    we could regulate the reflectivity of satellites

    Starlink has been doing that for 3 years now. There are limited to how nonreflective they can get the satellites.

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    • Chetzemoka@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Standard issue Musk brain rot.

      “Shouldn’t have satellites” at all vs. “maybe let’s not approve this one corporation doing this completely unregulated activity.” If you really can’t tell the difference between those two things, I can’t help you.

      “limited to how nonreflective they can get the satellites”

      Citation needed.

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      • UlyssesT@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        A billionaire apartheid prince says it can’t be done, and no one that works for him wants to say otherwise because they don’t want to be fired.

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      • halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Love how you also completely ignore the dozens of other companies designing and/or beginning deployment of massive satellite constellations just like Starlink.

        There very much are astronomers that have said they do not want ANY LEO satellite constellations.

        This isn’t just a Musk thing.

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• UlyssesT@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Throw enough glittering trash into orbit and your “can’t stay earthbound forever” platitudes become self-defeating because at some point nothing could be safely launched.

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  • wahming@monyet.cc ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The satellite constellations are in LEO. Kessler syndrome is literally not possible at that altitude.

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    • UlyssesT@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I already knew that; my point was that letting your euphoric corporate saviors do whatever the fuck they want under pretenses of euphoric “reach the stars” platitudes is interfering with actual contemporary scientific inquiry, right now.

      The pollution of each launch is significant, and the benefit of the yanky low orbit network is questionable, especially because it requires constant maintenance launches.

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      • sharedburdens@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        but have you considered that this under-regulated shlock this allows for command and control to be administered shitty internet service in warzones across the world “remote areas”

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• beautiful_boater@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Man, I just went to a good seminar today on finding habitable exoplanets that emphasized that we currently need ground based telescopes, because it is still impractical to make 30+ meter telescopes in space and would be very expensive, even if could be done. But progress is just launching a bunch of bullshit into orbit to avoid real investment in infrastructure like fiber and other telecommunication lines.

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  • UlyssesT@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    But progress is just launching a bunch of bullshit into orbit to avoid real investment in infrastructure like fiber and other telecommunication lines.

    With sufficient tweets/xeets/whatever about how “we can’t stay earthbound forever” and “we must spread the light of consciousness to the stars,” extremely credulous “I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE” bazinga brains will happily see actual science being trampled upon in favor of performative spectacle bullshit.

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• sharedburdens@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Yo I have this amazing bridge I’m selling, and you seem like a wise investor.

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  • UlyssesT@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Just use fluffy euphoric speeches about destiny and reaching for the stars, prattle that could fit in a movie with a soundtrack composed by Hans Zimmer, and you can sell the “I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE” crowd almost anything, including actual contempt and dismissal for actual scientists (astronomers in this case). so-true

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