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spaduf@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Lemmy needs a fork, if only to kick the devs into gear with regards to actually working with/listening to the community. At this point a significant number of users have been lost because the devs have been largely unable to capitalize on previous waves on growth due to slow development. It’s one thing if it’s just a couple of devs working on the project and trying their best, it’s an entirely different thing when a couple of devs are shutting out large numbers of contributors over relatively trivial issues. Mbin is reviving Kbin as a project and we need something similar for Lemmy.
ParanoidFactoid@beehaw.org 1 year ago
spaduf@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Let’s not forget, there is a very real sense in which building the communities is harder than building the software. Anything that can be done to preserve existing communities is a win in my book.
interolivary@beehaw.org 1 year ago
Yeah, I’d tend to agree. Lemmy’s codebase is pretty atrocious and it looks like the main devs really don’t know Rust well enough, and honestly they don’t seem to be very good at developing a service like this. There’s just no reason to go with Rust for a web service project like Lemmy (despite what Rust cultists will undoubtedly soon come to tell me), it limits the amount of people who can work on it due to not being as commonly used in this particular field, and it’s honestly baffling how they managed to use Rust and make the service as slow as it is – speaks volumes of how shitty the design is, and that they’re doing something fairly stupid with their database.
philm@programming.dev 1 year ago
despite what Rust cultists will undoubtedly soon come to tell me
And here I am :)
There’s a lot of reasons to go with Rust (and least of all performance), especially as web-backend. Top-notch libraries/ecosystem (I work extensively with all kinds of programming languages and most others suck in one way or the other). At this point I dare to say that it has the best ecosystem in this regards. Also a static type-system only being exceeded by Haskell (when talking about general purpose languages, that are actually in use), which makes projects maintainable by a lot of people, especially relevant for an open source project. There’s a reason why a lot of high quality projects are either rewriting or starting in Rust or are thinking to switch to… Etc. don’t want to throw more Rust evangalism at you, since there’s a lot to just google and learn…
Anyway, there were a few changes lately that made federated lemmy better (with the last release especially), the initial bugs I accept. But I agree, they aren’t veterans from the valley with multiple years of experience, just a bunch of idealists that had an idea and were persistent enough for years to implement it, I certainly have respect for that. What I don’t like, is that they are moderating a little bit too much, not being mostly community focused (among others, to avoid forks). But bringing a federated link aggregator like lemmy to the place where it currently is, at least takes quite a bit of time… So a fork (if really necessary) sounds like the most likely way forward…
interolivary@beehaw.org 1 year ago
I seriously doubt Rust has the best ecosystem for web backend development, and I seriously doubt anybody claiming that knows what they’re talking about
spaduf@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
I really don’t think it has anything to do with Rust. Just poorly written firstpass SQL queries. See here: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2877
interolivary@beehaw.org 1 year ago
I didn’t mean it’s slow because of Rust
Evotech@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Forks would murder the community is they weren’t compatible
elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They don’t have to be incompatible.
ShittyKopper@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Yup.
In fact, you don’t need to be based on Lemmy’s codebase in order to be compatible with Lemmy. See: Kbin/Mbin, azorius.net, narwhal.city (which seems to be lotide’s flagship?)
Building on Lemmy would make things significantly easier, especially regarding the quirks of Lemmy’s implementation of ActivityPub & FEP-1b12 though, so a fork would be the path of least resistance.
The fedi has a long history of forks for a variety of reasons. Hell, Misskey alone has like a bajillion forks to the point where it’s a meme how many of them there are, and yet they’re all compatible.
spaduf@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Of all the misplaced priorities by the dev team I really think this is one of the biggest. If they just fixed authorized fetch Lemmy would almost certainly be the goto host for groups among the broader Fediverse.