Comment on An idea for more content on Lemmy (and the fediverse): Relly (Relay+Lemmy)

• rglullis@communick.news ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So what if people don’t want their answers being mirrored back to Reddit because it’s a greedy company, or redditors don’t want their comments on Lemmy?!

  Good question. The way that I am designing it at the moment will actually ask for consent. The idea is that if you reply to a reddit mirrored comment, you get a bot telling you “hey, this poster is on reddit, connect your reddit account to if you want to make bridge the conversation”.

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  • shrugal@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The idea is that if you reply to a reddit mirrored comment, you get a bot telling you “hey, this poster is on reddit, connect your reddit account to if you want to bridge the conversation”.

    So for someone who doesn’t want to use Reddit (probably quite a lot on Lemmy) these posts are gonna be filled with comments that they can’t really anwers to. That’s exactly what I mean by surreal ghost town.

    Then it works by opt-out. By logging to the fediverser instance, the reddit -> lemmy mirror is automatically disabled.

    I’m pretty sure that’s illegal in many places. You can’t just copy someone’s content and tell them to login to your service if they don’t like it.

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    • rglullis@communick.news ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So for someone who doesn’t want to use Reddit (probably quite a lot on Lemmy) these posts are gonna be filled with comments that they can’t really anwers to. That’s exactly what I mean by surreal ghost town.

      There is an asymmetry here.

      Judging by MAU, we have currently ~35k people on Lemmy because they are against Reddit. We have 300 million people on reddit who are on reddit because “it is where everyone else is”.

      If the mirrors are creating 250k new mirror accounts per day, and if one fediverser instance can convert 0.1% of these per day, it’s 250 new users who “don’t care”. In one week, these ~1500 converted users will be in conversation on both networks, which will increase the number of non-bots in mirrored threads and be enough to stop the “ghost town” feeling.

      I’m not talking hypotheticals. It is happening already some of the communities where I set this up.

      I’m pretty sure that’s illegal in many places.

      I’m pretty sure you are wrong. The archive project does not need consent from the users (or reddit) to archive their content. Mirror sites from twitter exist for years already, none of them have faced charges. The worst that Reddit can do is to revoke the keys by claiming violation of service.

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      • BallsInTheShredder@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Where is this set up at? I’d like to see

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      • shrugal@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If the mirrors are creating 250k new mirror accounts per day, and if one fediverser instance can convert 0.1% of these per day, it’s 250 new users who “don’t care”. In one week, these ~1500 converted users will be in conversation on both networks, which will increase the number of non-bots in mirrored threads and be enough to stop the “ghost town” feeling.

        If that’s not a purely hypothetical argument then I don’t know what is. Your conversion numbers are taken from thin air, as is the claim that those numbers will prevent or revert the ghost town feeling. You completely ignore users signing up or going back to Reddit, you assume that everyone migrating will be ok with sharing their stuff back to Reddit, and so on. The fact of the matter is that you’ll be creating a read-only copy of Reddit at the beginning, and there is no telling if that will ever convert back to a real community. But in the meantime you’ll have spammed a lot of communities with tons of bot content.

        The worst that Reddit can do is to revoke the keys by claiming violation of the terms of service.

        I’m more concerned with the personal rights of Reddit users than whatever Reddit as a company would do. Although violating their ToS on a big scale would probably have consequences as well.

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