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rglullis@communick.news ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

It depends on the implementation. If all you have is a handful of bots posting all their posts on a fixed schedule, then yes, it gets quite tedious.

But I believe IMHO that the system I have going for fediverser avoids a lot of those issues. There is one “mirror bot” for each account that is posting on reddit, and they posted to lemmy’s mirror instance in near real-time. This means that the conversations basically happen in the same way they happened on reddit. This also opens up the possibility of (a) two-way communication between Lemmy and Reddit threads and (b) the mechanism for the real person to “take over” the bot account.

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shrugal@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
So what if people don’t want their answers being mirrored back to Reddit because it’s a greedy company, or redditors don’t want their comments on Lemmy?! Are you going to ask each one individually or just do it without their consent? Does it become a one-way mirror where someone from Reddit will never see your answer? That sounds really engaging and not at all creepy to me! /s

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- rglullis@communick.news ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  So what if people don’t want their answers being mirrored back to Reddit because it’s a greedy company, or redditors don’t want their comments on Lemmy?!
  
  Good question. The way that I am designing it at the moment will actually ask for consent. The idea is that if you reply to a reddit mirrored comment, you get a bot telling you “hey, this poster is on reddit, connect your reddit account to if you want to make bridge the conversation”.
  
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  - shrugal@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    The idea is that if you reply to a reddit mirrored comment, you get a bot telling you “hey, this poster is on reddit, connect your reddit account to if you want to bridge the conversation”.
    
    So for someone who doesn’t want to use Reddit (probably quite a lot on Lemmy) these posts are gonna be filled with comments that they can’t really anwers to. That’s exactly what I mean by surreal ghost town.
    
    Then it works by opt-out. By logging to the fediverser instance, the reddit -> lemmy mirror is automatically disabled.
    
    I’m pretty sure that’s illegal in many places. You can’t just copy someone’s content and tell them to login to your service if they don’t like it.
    
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    rglullis@communick.news ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    So for someone who doesn’t want to use Reddit (probably quite a lot on Lemmy) these posts are gonna be filled with comments that they can’t really anwers to. That’s exactly what I mean by surreal ghost town.
    
    There is an asymmetry here.
    
    Judging by MAU, we have currently ~35k people on Lemmy because they are against Reddit. We have 300 million people on reddit who are on reddit because “it is where everyone else is”.
    
    If the mirrors are creating 250k new mirror accounts per day, and if one fediverser instance can convert 0.1% of these per day, it’s 250 new users who “don’t care”. In one week, these ~1500 converted users will be in conversation on both networks, which will increase the number of non-bots in mirrored threads and be enough to stop the “ghost town” feeling.
    
    I’m not talking hypotheticals. It is happening already some of the communities where I set this up.
    
    I’m pretty sure that’s illegal in many places.
    
    I’m pretty sure you are wrong. The archive project does not need consent from the users (or reddit) to archive their content. Mirror sites from twitter exist for years already, none of them have faced charges. The worst that Reddit can do is to revoke the keys by claiming violation of service.
    
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