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Stamets@startrek.website 11 months agoSame but in Discovery. There’s a small moment with Tilly on the bridge where he plays a prank on her, within MINUTES of meeting her and beaming onto the ship. Then and there I fell in love with him.
TWeaK@lemm.ee 11 months ago
SNeW Pike is literally THE redeeming factor of Discovery.
Stamets@startrek.website 11 months ago
Doug Jones. Special effects. Visuals. Michelle Yeoh. Acting chops across the board. Bridge Officers getting more screentime. David fucking Cronenberg. Firmly establishing Kelvin timeline. Major LGBTQ+ representation for the first time in Trek (one off episodes don’t count). Una. Sharp increase in humor. The Enterprise. Culber returning. Tig Notaro! THAT Pike episode (You know the one. The big one.) USS Nog. Oded Fehr. Butterfly People (that’s just a personal favorite). Return of Space Cats.
I mean… there’s a lot of redeeming qualities of Discovery. It’s totally fine to not like Discovery but it’s a bit harsh to outright disregard the absolute slew of great things we’ve managed to get out of the show as well.
pimento64@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Suppose I cook you lobster ravioli as served at a Michelin-star restaurant. The filling is a perfect blend of lobster, salmon, egg white, basil, lemon zest, and seasoning. The poaching stock is expertly crafted from roasted lobster shell, carrots, celery, onions, tomato, and lemongrass, then deglazed with brandy, reduced, and strained till it’s perfect. Consider further that the pasta was made fresh by hand, and expertly stuffed, and served with lemon vinaigrette and tomato chutney, all prepared by an expert hand with fresh ingredients. It’s a perfect dish, one that has so many great things going on. It’s a balanced symphony of unique flavors interplaying perfectly.
Oh, except I used cheap, nasty, frozen lobster and it’s still raw. Oops. Are you still going to eat your ravioli anyway? No. It doesn’t matter how many great things are very much still actually happening, there’s no point in eating it now. It’s ruined. All of it.
Bad writing is the raw shellfish of media. It doesn’t matter how good everything else about the show is, because if it’s written badly, everything is ruined. It’s the one thing that can’t be forgiven and taints everything it touches at the source. Good intentions don’t make up for raw shellfish.
USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 11 months ago
Could you give some examples of bad writing in the show? Feel free to skip the overwrought metaphor.
TWeaK@lemm.ee 11 months ago
It’s a good show overall, but in too many ways it doesn’t feel like Starfleet. I see it as more of a modern teeny sci-fi show with a Star Trek theme.
Stamets@startrek.website 11 months ago
Starfleet, and Star Trek, do not have an singular feeling or vibe and honestly this criticism doesn’t hold any legs once you start getting into it. I’ve mentioned this elsewhere but every series (with the exception of TNG and VOY) all have their own individual themes and vibes. TOS is very campy while the TOS movies swing from campy to outright war, hostilities and loss. TNG (and VOY) are primarily explorative and philosophical while having their own episodes of strangeness. DS9’s entire theme is built around hostility and hatred between races that blows up into a full on war. Enterprise combines a variety of different themes from other shows while tackling the hardships of trying something for the first time. Not a single one of them share the exact same vibe across them all. They do share the same ideals, however, and Discovery is included in that. Just because the show focuses more on action/flashy scenes than others doesn’t mean that it isn’t Star Trek and it doesn’t diminish those traits which run integral to the entire show. The core concepts of sacrifice for the good of all, hope, the quest for peace, wanting a better future, trying to do what’s best for all and (arguably most importantly) personal growth.
As for ‘teeny sci-fi show’, why? The show outright tackles some pretty harsh subject matter and brutal decisions.