Comment on Millions of smart meters will fail when 2G and 3G turns off

• can@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s possible they’re grin the UK

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  • PeachMan@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    INCONCEIVABLE!

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  • SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    NZ and many other places are doing energy meter replacements (or just modem replacements in the existing meters) due to 2G/3G switch off.

    I don’t think anyone does cellular water meters, though. Cellular needs a decent amount of power which is too much to expect from either a ten year battery or trying to use the metering hardware as a generator.

    Smart water and gas meters therefore generally use a short-range low power mesh radio system.

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    • lolcatnip@reddthat.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Aren’t water systems typically installed alongside electrical systems though? Seems like powering the meter should be a non-issue in most circumstances.

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      • SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Water meters are installed in a variety of places - while some might be in the building, plenty will be in a pit at the street.

        Even if it’s in the same building, you now have the builder/homeowner’s electrician needing to supply power to the meter that could be on the other side of the house from the electrical service. Should it be supplied from a dedicated circuit for reliability? If it’s a retrofit, who pays for the wiring - and plaster/paint for the walls if it wasn’t an easy run?

        What if the owner turns the power off and goes away for a month while leaving the garden sprinklers on? Is that OK?

        Electrically powered electrical meters work fine because if the meter isn’t powered, nothing else is anyway. And it has to have all the safety and mechanical features for permanent connection to and safe usage of mains power, which adds substantially to the cost.

        Trivia: the energy consumed by electric meters is not negligible, though it’s fairly small. The meter is designed so that it does not measure its own power consumption - the power company pays for that, not the customer. Should the customer pay for the water meter’s electricity consumption.

        Extra trivia: A suitably efficient turbine could provide the watt or two of power a meter needs to transmit by leaking about a teaspoon or two of water down a drain.

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  • Aceticon@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Surelly they would’ve used the word “wankers” or “cunts” when refering to the water company if they were???!

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  • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    True, but I was saying that because it’s about energy meters, not water meters.

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    • fatalError@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There are many devices that use 2g for data, not just energy meters. ATMs, card payment terminals, alarms, gps trackers, all sorts of qpplications that don’t need a lot of data and can benefit from the better coverage/range of 2g.

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• FiskFisk33@startrek.website ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  that doesn’t mean the problem is exclusive to them

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