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Comment on Music Publishers Sue Amazon-backed AI Platform for Copyright Infringement

Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

A standard I could see being applied is one that I think has some precedent, where if the work it is supposed to be similar to is anywhere in the training set then it’s a copyright violation. One of the valid defenses against copyright claims in court is that the defendant reasonably could have been unaware of the original work, and that seems to me like a reasonable equivalent.

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AccidentalLemming@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
“Similar” is a very hard concept to define, and has previously lead to silly lawsuits. youtu.be/0ytoUuO-qvg

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- p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  You can’t copyright a style.
  
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ericisshort@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
But humans make works that are similar to other works all the time. I just hope that we set the same standards for AI violating copyright as we have for humans. There is a big difference between derivative works and those that violate copyright.

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- lemmyvore@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Doesn’t this argument assume that AI are human? That’s a pretty huge reach if you ask me. It’s not even clear if LLM are AI, nevermind giving them human rights.
  
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  - ericisshort@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    No, I’m not assuming that. It’s not about concluding AI’s are human. It’s about having concrete standards on which to design laws. Setting a lower standard for copyright violation by LLMs would be like setting a lower speed limit for a self-driving car, and I don’t think it makes any logical sense. To me that would be a disappointingly protectionist and luddite perspective to apply to this new technology.
    
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    lemmyvore@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    If LLM are software then they can’t commit copyright violation, the onus for breaking laws falls on the people who use them. And until someone proves otherwise in a court of law they are software.
    
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  - Saganastic@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Machine learning falls under the category of AI. I agree that works produced by LLMs should count as derivative works, as long as they're not too similar.
    
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    nybble41@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Not every work produced by a LLM should count as a derivative work—just the ones that embody unique, identifiable creative elements from specific work(s) in the training set. We don’t consider every work produced by a human to be a derivative work of everything they were trained on; work produced by (a human using) an AI should be no different.
    
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