Comment on ‘Tragic and unnecessary’: Truck driver didn’t see cyclist hit and killed

• zurohki@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That question is proposing banning legal traffic from a normal street but dishonestly challenging others to justify not doing it, instead of making an argument in favour of their own proposal. You see that a lot from religious people who challenge you to prove their particular flavour of nonsense isn’t true.

  “Should traffic be allowed on roads” is an incredibly broad, vague question that a coroner isn’t going to decide to take up when investigating the specifics of one particular incident.

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  • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Let me turn it back on you: should we ban bicycles from roads? Someone died from it! Why are bicycles still allowed on roads?!

    Because you don’t fix a problem by telling the victims to stop being victims. You fix the perpetrator.

    “Should traffic be allowed on roads” is an incredibly broad, vague question

    Of course it is. But you know that, which is why you’re presenting a straw man argument like that rather than being intellectually honest.

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    • zurohki@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      We tell the victims to stop being victims all the time. That’s why you get fined for crossing the road near a crossing, or speeding when there are no other cars on the road. It’s not about who has the moral high ground.

      Intellectual dishonesty is actually what I’m accusing the bike group of. Instead of making the point that the road isn’t safe for trucks and backing that up with reasoning and evidence, they’re acting like it should be obvious that this government designed road is unsafe for government approved vehicles and trying to require others to prove that it is safe, because it’s easier to make someone else do all the work while you sit back and nitpick.

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      • DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Trucks have a long history of running over cyclists and pedestrians. They are known to have poor visibility, when turning especially. Often the police find the truck driver did nothing wrong, but they didn’t see the person. This points to a systemic problem rather than a behavioural problem of truck drivers.

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• Wooki@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  What are cyclists still riding here after it is well established it’s deadly to do so?

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  • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Mmm, love me some victim blaming.

    Why are you wearing such a short skirt?

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