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snekerpimp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• flooppoolf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Also, is there regulations in place that prohibit this from happening?

  For example, if my all in one GPS CarOS Bluetooth WiFi CarPlay Android Auto headset decides to take a shit and die, my brake pedal absolutely better fucking work… right?

  There shouldn’t be anything keeping the car from running normally. I expect any tech you wouldn’t find in a ‘66 chevelle (anything aside from 12v push lighter, signals) to be busted if telematics are disabled.

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  • snekerpimp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    America is a corporatocracy, with automotive as a major player, there will be no help from the government on this.

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    • flooppoolf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well, after the electronic brake scandal with Toyota I’m sure the redundancies Tangler is talking about were set in place. It sucks here but we’re not in the Cyberpunk Dystopia just yet.

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      • snekerpimp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        These are not Apache helicopters. These are designed and manufactured on a shoestring budget. They don’t have time or money for any redundancy, and there is no current policy in place that I know of that mandates redundancy of by-wire systems.

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    • MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      corporatocracy

      Plutocracy with a bit of democracy?

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      • snekerpimp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        wikipedia explains it well

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  • TheWildTangler@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Electronic throttle and breaking have redundancies, you should be safe in that regard

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    • snekerpimp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m curious what electronic throttle’s redundancy is? I have been in automotive parts and repair almost 15 years, and drive by wire has no redundancy. If that module goes bad, or connection corrodes, you are dead in the water. Braking has always been hydraulic based but with electric actuators for ABS, so I kinda see your point of redundancy there. Steering has to be mechanical, but Lexus and Mercedes have been chipping away at that for a decade, and they are asking for no mechanical fallback, as it would hurt the user experience.

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      • CADmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Less of a “backup” and more of a “fail closed” system, from what I’ve seen. The throttle will at least have the decency to drop to idle when it stops working as opposed to staying at it’s last position.

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• flooppoolf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  $80,000 brand new luxury sedan with a voided 30,000 mile warranty and permanently enabled check engine light more likely.

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  • snekerpimp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    See, even if you cut the antenna, the transmitter is still there putting out a signal. Once you get close enough to a tower, in the right conditions, signal could get out, dumping any data stored. Disabling it by removing the SIM or the transmitter would be the best way to go, though I’m sure most are eSIM.

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    • flooppoolf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Check this out. Forum talks about Toyota making you jump through hoops to disable it officially, or you can pull a fuse and lose access to hands free and other radio tools.

      The move for Toyota seems to be to pull the fuse and install an aftermarket radio, in Ford’s case removal of the actual telemetrics box if the manufacturer has one installed in the select model is sufficient and does not disable anything. I can’t fathom what Mercedes, BMW, and GM does as they are notorious for making things hard to access.

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      • snekerpimp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        There are ways around hardware and software locks unofficially. I’m sure as soon as the same people that hack 3d printers get their hands on these in the second and third hand market the ways of spoofing or disabling the monitoring and feature locks will be many. Feel sorry for the rich idiot that pays monthly for his heated seats and wonders why he gets targeted ads.

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• rikonium@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Varies widely, sometimes you can call in and opt-out, boom done. It will naturally take the cellular features like hotspot, app stuff with it. It will be very make/model specific. You can do it on Toyota’s by pulling a fuse if calling don’t work and you only lose the microphone.

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