I wouldn’t necessarily phrase it like that. There’s a danger of oversimplifying the problem into just good (non-racist) and bad (racist) people and that doesn’t help at all. The problems are systemic and go right to the very core of our nation. Non-Indigenous Australians will continue to make irrational, selfish decisions with regards to Indigenous Australians for as long as they don’t understand why Indigenous culture is important (not just in Australia, but throughout the world) or the truth of their nation’s history. Australia is culturally uneducated and unaware compared to the rest of the world and that has to change for any further progress to be made with regards to recognising Indigenous sovereignty in some form.
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billytheid@aussie.zone 11 months agoeveryone acting like it’s some great mystery… simple truth is that Australians are profoundly entitled, racist, arseholes. anyone who has lived in any other culture and then returned will agree.
Ilandar@aussie.zone 11 months ago
billytheid@aussie.zone 11 months ago
no, I’m talking about Australians and their culture. Australians acts like their state is a vital and respected world player, in reality it’s just cemented its place an arrogant and largely irrelevant post-colonial meme that will be completely subsumed by a more powerful Asian neighbour in the near future. The sad hilarity is that all we’re trying to save back home is petty white hubris.
assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Australia is already subsumed by the United States.
AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 11 months ago
I'm from the states and I'm not trying to be a dick but Australians think of their country as a player in the great games of statehood? Like... how? Is it because y'all speak English, too?
billytheid@aussie.zone 11 months ago
Australians are profoundly simple. Go through this thread and take a look at all the nit-picking around our ‘totally not racist’ claims; it basically boils down to “we let wealthy people come here so we can racially vilify them for political expedience”.
more then 60% of the country just voted along purely racist lines. we are racist, very racist. people coming here should be forewarned.
batmangrundies@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah, I’ve mentioned to some friends and family that my wife and I are moving overseas. I don’t use Facebook or anything, I’ve purposely not engaged in discussions with them about the Voice.
And some of the hate and vitriol has been astounding. Full mask-off Aussie exceptionalism.
The Voice was just the nail in the coffin for us. We’d been considering moving for a while. I wish Aussies really knew how fucked our work culture is. And how shit our pay is relative to the cost of living.
They’re living in a fantastical version of Australia sold to them by a nationalist media.
1brokeguy@aussie.zone 11 months ago
What country are you planning to move to? General curious what country you think would be better.
batmangrundies@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I can’t say shit about my full set of motivations without breaking NDAs and dozzing myself unfortunately.
But Australia is worse off environmentally than the public knows. And so many of us that worked in environmental analysis for big engineering firms, which are contracted by government, defence and so on, are gagged.
When people try to blow the whistle, they are put into lengthy court battles which they never win.
I worked on a project a few years ago around water theft, one of the other attached contractors had an analyst go to the media, blowing the lid off the scope of the issue. I have no idea what happened to her exactly, but I know they buried her in court.
I’m moving to Canada, but more to be with friends, and spend the rest of my thirties and onwards enjoying my life. My twenties were brutal, I’m 35 and I’ve never had a holiday. I’ve been an activist for twenty years in Aus as well, this referendum and the result are painful.
Marsupial@quokk.au 11 months ago
So . . . you’re moving to Canada because our environmentalism and indigenous rights are shit?
Ooh boy, you’re in for a ride.
fosstulate@iusearchlinux.fyi 11 months ago
Does Australia not have anti-SLAPP legislation of any sort?
DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
anyone who has lived in any other culture and then returned will agree
Big call. I’ve spent a few years south east asia. Racism and classism is deeply rooted in their cultural psyche. As a European foreigner you’re the beneficiary of their preconceptions, but talk to pretty much any of them about neighbouring countries, or differing religions and you see a very different picture.
Axisential@lemmy.nz 11 months ago
Yes, 1000x yes. Lived there for 18 years, have lived in two other countries so have good reference points. I love Australia, I love Australians. But en masse some disturbing trends come out.
morry040@kbin.social 11 months ago
I've lived overseas and I disagree.
Australia is no more racist than some other developed and developing nations, and there are countries with more racism than Australia.
Travel to different cities in the US and notice how neighbourhoods are subtlety segregated by race.
Talk to any European about their thoughts on gypsies.
Ask Japanese about their thoughts on Koreans.
Look up the usage of the word "keling" in south east asian cultures.
What we have in Australia is perhaps a more overt style of referring to cultures or differences, but the barriers to integrate with Australian culture is much lower than other countries. For some migrants that have come from cultures where they had a racial privilege (e.g. caste systems), it could now be confronting to them that their standing in Australia is lowered and equalised.
The way that we establish social bonds (banter, joking around, jabs, insults etc) can also be confusing to foreigners and be perceived as racist, but it's an old UK way of establishing camaraderie by proving that you can dish out an insult but also take it as well. Like stand-up comedy material, this method is being tamed as time goes on.
One final indicator of racial division is the level of mixed marriages. If it was a serious problem, we would see low levels of marriages between different countries of origin. In the EU, the rate of mixed marriages is about 8% (1 in 12). In Australia, the rate is 3.5x larger at 29%.