Comment on Ben Shapiro casually supporting war crimes

rekabis@programming.dev ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If you’re keeping score isreal has for sure put more points on the board.

  But Hamas does suck as much as the Israeli government, yes.

  The biggest victims here? The Palestinians.

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  • rekabis@programming.dev ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The biggest victims here? The Palestinians.

    We can agree on that, at least.

    Shame they don’t have the ability to eradicate Hamas from their midst. But then there comes the issue of Israeli aggression and violent land appropriation.

    As I pointed out, ESH.

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    • Eccitaze@yiffit.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The reason I know I’d fail as a politician is because the instant I get asked anything about Israel / Palestine, I’d either run away screaming or I’d throw my hands up and say “I’m not touching this with a ten foot pole, they both suck and everyone except the civilians caught in the crossfire deserve whatever they get.”

      This whole conflict isn’t black and white morality, or even black and gray morality. It barely qualifies as black and slightly-less-black-if-you-squint morality. It’s like Luke trying to blow up the Death Star, if the Death Star was populated mostly with families, children, and puppies, and Luke ate a baby while he was rescuing the princess.

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      • chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’d either run away screaming or I’d throw my hands up and say “I’m not touching this with a ten foot pole, they both suck and everyone except the civilians caught in the crossfire deserve whatever they get.”

        To me it seems like the obvious answer, from the perspective of a country that provides significant financial and military support to Israel, is to withdraw that support conditional on Israel giving a defined minimum amount of concern to not committing war crimes and human rights abuses. Things genuinely necessary for defense, fine, the rest, we should not be complicit in.

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  • sailingbythelee@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think this whole “who is worse” paradigm is a dead-end trap. The binary right/wrong paradigm is also useless.

    The reality is that you have two incompatible populations stuck on the same chunk of land, and they are not sufficiently motivated to compromise on the key issues. That’s why this conflict has been an unresolvable stalemate for decades now. Sad to say, but all-out war is probably the only thing that can break the stalemate at this point.

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    • kiku123@feddit.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I thought Jared Kushner solved this during Trump’s presidency. Are you saying that they lied?

      Jokes aside I agree. Both sides claim they want a 2 state solution, but that’s only because it’s politically convenient to say. Perhaps the Palastinians would settle for it now, since Israel has more power, but Israel really has no incentive not to just keep encroaching even more into Palestine until it’s all Israel.

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