Comment on Reducing Political Polarization by Respecting Human Dignity
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 11 months agoFor the record, there is no compromising with baby murderers. It is the single most evil thing you can do, except for maybe torturing then murdering.
But for the rest, I do think a lot of the average proponents are just victims of propaganda. Look at all the studies into gun violence and all the mass shooting headlines, all proclaiming its the tool and not the person, all propaganda, and no one (including me) is immune to propaganda. Leftists think gun control is a good thing. Similar thing with illegal immigrants, propaganda and the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
So there is hope, that some will change their minds.
And I do appreciate that you don’t think of us as evil.
PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Yeah, Dems say this, too:"They’re voting against their own interests! No, Republicans are not doing that. When Democrats do that, they’re lying to themselves just as much as you are. Because, honestly, do you think they don’t understand what abortion is? Like…really?
Again, what makes these scientific studies propaganda? What makes scientific studies by right-wing thinks tanks not propaganda?
You can show your appreciation by putting in the work of undoing the truly insidious propaganda that’s made you think other regular people are evil. Maybe Nancy Pelosi is. Maybe Trump is. But regular people just to live our lives, right?
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 11 months ago
As much as I want to be high minded and try to understand them and reach across the aisle, I can’t do the mental gymnastics required. I simply can’t put gun control proponent with a good smart person who hasn’t been affected by propaganda. Maybe not straight up evil, that lies with the dems, but theres just no way.
Also, gun violence takes a bunch of unrelated things, murder, suicide, accidents, and groups them together by the tool. Of course removing the tool is the answer to reducing gun violence, thats the only thing tying them together.
For example, if you want to reduce suicide, better mental health, better economy, better life in general. Raise the minimum wage.
Accidents are just accidents. Teach gun safety in schools, just like sex ed.
Murder? Same solution for any other high crime rate.
But you group them together, theres nothing tying them together. Its so incredibly obvious that I honestly don’t see how anyone wouldn’t immediately think its bullshit.
PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Look at that a point of agreement already that goes against the usual conservative belief in free markets. I too believe that improving the material conditions would reduce suicide and improve mental health and life generally.
That’s an interesting view of those issues. I suppose I don’t understand why they shouldn’t be grouped together by the tool when firearms are common to each of those issues. How do you think they should be understood?
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 11 months ago
The problem is the action, not the tool. Murder is bad. Suicide is bad. Accidents are bad. But they have different causes and different possible solutions. The tool used isn’t a cause, its just the tool.
TJD@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Traffic jams, double parking, and car bombs all make use of the same tool as well, but it would be asinine to put them all into the same bucket when they have entirely different causes.
Look at it this way, nobody is trying to put self harm via knife in the same category as some drug deal gone south involving a knife. So why is it reasonable to do the same when the tool is a gun? Both murder and suicide happen regardless of guns, and looking at statistics across places with more/less guns regarding murder, guns are an entirely irrelevant factor.