Comment on Reducing Political Polarization by Respecting Human Dignity
PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 11 months agothe article aside
That’s the problem.
“Civility,” she writes, “is a disposition, a way of seeing others as beings endowed with dignity and inherently valuable.
In contrast, you say that Dems are evil.
And how does one deal with evil? Do you makes deals with evil? Compromise with evil? Deliberate with evil? Exist along side evil? Say hi to your evil neighbor as you go about your day?
No. In fact, you do the exact opposite. You destroy and extinguish it every chance you get.
You and a lot of Republicans do not respect other people as people, but think of them as evil. You, like specifically you, and everyone else that think Dems as a group are evil, are, by definition of the article, uncivil. You do do not value Dems as people with differing views on how to achieve things we all have in common. You think they’re out to quite literally destroy civilization on behalf of Satan or whatever.
Interestingly, what is rule #2 of this instance?
Be civil: disagreements happen, but that doesn’t provide the right to personally insult others.
Be civil.
I’m not sure what that means here.
Dems continue onto act like they’re the good guys, and we’re the bad ones. Its straight up lying, and you can’t fix a failing relationship with lies.
You’re right. If you believe Dems are evil, then you’re lying to yourself.
Ngl, it takes a lot for me not to hate Republicans, too. It’d be easy to. But part of not hating them is just not wanting to. Like, Republicans are a part of my family and my work life. Why would I want to hate these people? It seems asinine to hate people merely because they’re Republicans. The other part is not caricaturing them, also known as intellectual integrity. Thinking people are evil can only happen if you don’t talk to them. Sure, psychopaths exist, and they are evil, but most people aren’t psychopaths. They’re just regular people who wants wants best for them, their family, and their little corner of the world. Some of think abortions saves lives and preserves autonomy, others think it murders babies. Neither view is evil in any meaningful sense of the word. And the people who hold either view probably aren’t evil either. But it takes understanding why people believe what they believe from their mouths to truly understand that.
I disagree on yours points 1-4, but I don’t think you’re evil. And I don’t think you’re misguided or a fool or “voting against your interests”, or whatever stupid ass thing weak-minded Democrats come up with assuage their insecurities either. I think your experiences have led you to believe the exact opposite of me. That’s all. And that’s fine.
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 11 months ago
For the record, there is no compromising with baby murderers. It is the single most evil thing you can do, except for maybe torturing then murdering.
But for the rest, I do think a lot of the average proponents are just victims of propaganda. Look at all the studies into gun violence and all the mass shooting headlines, all proclaiming its the tool and not the person, all propaganda, and no one (including me) is immune to propaganda. Leftists think gun control is a good thing. Similar thing with illegal immigrants, propaganda and the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
So there is hope, that some will change their minds.
And I do appreciate that you don’t think of us as evil.
PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Yeah, Dems say this, too:"They’re voting against their own interests! No, Republicans are not doing that. When Democrats do that, they’re lying to themselves just as much as you are. Because, honestly, do you think they don’t understand what abortion is? Like…really?
Again, what makes these scientific studies propaganda? What makes scientific studies by right-wing thinks tanks not propaganda?
You can show your appreciation by putting in the work of undoing the truly insidious propaganda that’s made you think other regular people are evil. Maybe Nancy Pelosi is. Maybe Trump is. But regular people just to live our lives, right?
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 11 months ago
As much as I want to be high minded and try to understand them and reach across the aisle, I can’t do the mental gymnastics required. I simply can’t put gun control proponent with a good smart person who hasn’t been affected by propaganda. Maybe not straight up evil, that lies with the dems, but theres just no way.
Also, gun violence takes a bunch of unrelated things, murder, suicide, accidents, and groups them together by the tool. Of course removing the tool is the answer to reducing gun violence, thats the only thing tying them together.
For example, if you want to reduce suicide, better mental health, better economy, better life in general. Raise the minimum wage.
Accidents are just accidents. Teach gun safety in schools, just like sex ed.
Murder? Same solution for any other high crime rate.
But you group them together, theres nothing tying them together. Its so incredibly obvious that I honestly don’t see how anyone wouldn’t immediately think its bullshit.
PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Look at that a point of agreement already that goes against the usual conservative belief in free markets. I too believe that improving the material conditions would reduce suicide and improve mental health and life generally.
That’s an interesting view of those issues. I suppose I don’t understand why they shouldn’t be grouped together by the tool when firearms are common to each of those issues. How do you think they should be understood?