It's not clear from your comment. Are you also accusing the trans women at this conference of lying about their gender?
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TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 11 months agoJust because gender is a complicated matter, it doesn’t mean people can’t be dishonest about it. Trying to invalidate transgender people for the lies of male registrants intruding on women’s spaces is doubly shameful. Really, transphobic people love to put up a flimsy mocking pretense that they are a different gender to discredit trans people.
Even entertaining this argument seems like a mistake, but trans and non-binary people are a small minority. It’s extremely unlikely that they would outnumber cisgender women.
It’s sad to see this sort of two-faced transphobic talk taking starting to take root in Kbin and Lemmy. It’s bad enough how much of this happens in other places.
JasSmith@kbin.social 11 months ago
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I am accusing the cisgender men at the conference of lying about their gender and I am accusing people in this thread of playing coy about the fact that is trivial for someone who 100% sees themselves as a man to tick F rather than M on a form if that will get them an advantage. Especially if they think being transgender happens on a whim.
If they are transphobic, they even get to discredit actual trans people while they take advantage of an opportunity that wasn’t intended for them. It wouldn’t be the first time transphobic people pretend to be trans just to cause problems.
You did read my comment, I hope. Do you truly believe there are more transgender women and non-binary people than cisgender women in tech, to the point they would outnumber them?
serial_crusher@lemmy.basedcount.com 11 months ago
I am accusing the cisgender men at the conference of lying about their gender
Wait, this is confusing. Cisgender man would mean they identify as men. But if they were lying about their gender… are you accusing them of secretly being women?
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I don’t see how you could misunderstand what I said. If that wasn’t clear enough, the part right after that clarifies your question plenty. At this point I think are trying to deliberately create confusion and start an argument.
Otome-chan@kbin.social 11 months ago
How do you distinguish between the people who genuinely identify as nonbinary and those who are dishonestly doing it?
neshura@bookwormstory.social 11 months ago
identify
See the “problem” with the entire ordeal is this right there, self-identification will always be abusable by people who are willing to lie. There is no solution to that problem I can think of that doesn’t piss someone off hard.
cricket97@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What if they’re not transphobic but rather just taking advantage of the less competitive playing field cough cough
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Drop the cough and dogwhistles. This is not about trans people and whatever wildly overblown fearmongering you are itching to bring up.
This is about men being smartasses.
cricket97@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I think it points out the fact that saying you are something does not mean you are that something. Anyone willing to lie (lots of people) can abuse this freedom to the detriment of the protected group. self id cannot be a thing if you want to exclude a certain group, because you have no basis to call them out, no matter what your hunch may be.
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 11 months ago
When I talk of “transphobes trying to discredit trans people”, it’s about your kind of talk that I’m talking. Now you want to make it about trans people and their right of self-id, because cis men are being shitty. Entirely the wrong group of people.
cricket97@lemmy.world 11 months ago
you don’t know they are cis