Comment on Majority of Americans continue to favor moving away from Electoral College
PizzaMan@lemmy.world 1 year agoThere’s multiple systems
I am aware.
Breaking up larger countries into different regional nations makes sense to me, btw.
Oddly, that exact move has been a disaster for Britain. We should not follow suit.
sj_zero 1 year ago
Britain has been a disaster for Britain. Their leadership is terrible. It would be weak as part of the EU as well. At least this way the bad decisions are their own, and they can pay the consequences for them, and perhaps change them at sometime in the future.
Contrast with Greece, which isn't in good shape, but is stuck doing what other people from competing regions tell them to do.
PizzaMan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Absolutely. Tbeir leadership is a joke. However the actual effect of them leaving the EU was what I was referring to. They have to pay way more for import/export, they no longer have the same freedom to travel, it’s fucked their economy, there is less competition for products so the items available to them are worse.
It’s not just the leadership, it’s the effects of leaving itself that are a huge part of the issue.
I’m not super familiar with Greece’s particular situation, but I think what we’ve seen from Brexit would make it pretty clear that it would be a disaster for Greece to leave as well. The economic hardships caused by increasing the barrier to entry for trade is disastrous. It would also make it significantly harder for them to compete, because anything to find with Greece would become more expensive.
And this is all ignoring one of the biggest reasons for the EU, which is to avoid war. The amount of bloodshed Europe had to go through to get to the current level of cooperation and stability was also disastrous. Taking a step towards that happening again is a terrible idea, and that applies here in the U.S. as well.
If each state was it’s own independent country, the incentive for war suddenly increases.
sj_zero 1 year ago
The Brits are just ahead of the curve, deglobalization is occurring.
Stuff like peace was caused by the hegemony of the American empire, but the American empire appears to be teetering and a new age of multipolar pluralism is imminent, which is already leading to wars because countries don't think a weakened United states can stop them.
What we seem to be seeing now is war in europe and civil war in America. It isn't unprecedented in history, world war 1 started in a other era when everyone thought all the entangling alliances would prevent another war.
Talk of civil war in America is sorta debatable but a lot of people are calling some of the big events of the past few years civil war-like. The polarization, mistrust, and escalation of violence and use of institutional power to harm political opponents doesn't bode well.
Of course, my view isn't the most likely one out there, and it's all a matter of interpretation.
PizzaMan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
On destroying their economy? On making it harder for their citizens to travel (and therefore their freedom)?
If that’s being ahead of the curve then nobody in their right mind will want to be “ahead”.
The U.S. has definitely played a part. But it’s downright ridiculous to assign credit for the relative stability of international politics (a famously not so sinple/straightforward thing) on a single country/thing.
The E.U., NATO, and the countless trade agreements that are flying around have played a huge part.
Alliances were the only thing they used. Nowadays international trade does far more to prevent war than it ever has. Nobody ever wants to go to war with a big trade partner, as it would destroy your economy.
What you’re saying is downright bizarre. Somehow you hold the view that international war is right around the corner because of a weakened U.S., and at the same time you think countries ought to be dividing themselves and cutting off ties. It makes no sense at all.