Comment on A little rant about lemmy.ml
5BC2E7@lemmy.world 11 months ago
you have to understand that some of this people have extremist beliefs because they are poor and resent those who are doing better than them. so having a car makes you a target.
Microw@lemm.ee 11 months ago
If that’s your argument, you should add that you doing better has nothing to do with your individual actions. Otherwise you just sound like a billionaire fanboy.
5BC2E7@lemmy.world 11 months ago
As someone who “crawled out of a shithole” i can accept that “luck” or circumstance plays a big role. But if you are not born privileged and you grasp what’s important to do better and put effort (and the circumstances allow it) then your efforts are as crucial as putting them in the right place which might be impossible to accomplish for most.
For that reason I cannot agree with dismissing my individual actions.
38fhh2f8th5819c7@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Nothing to do with your individual actions? Really? So there’s no difference between someone who works their ass off in school / uni and someone who just fucks around and drops out? I get that the children of the richest 1% can fail successfully, but for the bottom 99% you have to have some substance in order to succeed.
vjxtdibobyd@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I don’t disagree that systemic factors play a huge role, but individual actions can definitely contribute a lot as well. A family member of mine grew up dirt poor in a developing country but worked their ass off to save money to move to the US, worked their ass off more and is now in the top of their field, owns a house, multiple cars, paid for their kids college, etc. Luck almost certainly played a part (and choosing the right field to go into) and it’s obviously the case that a lot of people who work hard all their life are never able to get out of poverty, but individual actions can definitely contribute to moving up the socioeconomic ladder. It certainly shouldn’t be the only factor, though, as conservatives and the rich want it to be.
Microw@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Of course you are right and they can contribute a lot in an individual person’s life. But when you look at the statistics, there are numbers on economic freedom of moving into an upper class of where you start with.
And some countries are good in that regard. Some countries are very very bad in that regard.