Ah, back to spreading nihilism again, I see. I’ll share the same thing I said last time:
I understand how you feel, but we actually do have the power to change our world. We need to first recognize that something needs to be done, build a popular consensus, network and build connections with like-minded people, and start a real movement for change.
Electoralism has not solved our problems in the past, and it won’t do so in the future. At best, it is harm prevention, and at worst, it’s a distraction from more effective efforts. I encourage people to vote for the candidates they feel best, but to be aware that it’s not a real, long term solution. It’s always just the best of two terrible candidates, both of whom ultimately serve the ruling class.
The problems we have did not start and will not end with Trump, they are in the fundamental roots of our society, and the road to change our society is a long and difficult one, but it is a journey we have to undertake. We are going to have to act if we want to live in a better world. Simply giving in to nihlism is not an option.
You have no actual plan other than a plea to “try”. Funny that you criticize the nihilist’s lack of trying but not the general population’s. Even though both result in the same inaction. Atleast the nihilist usually once cared, unlike the masses who can’t be bothered to ever care. Good luck though. Keep pleading with the wall of indifference, laziness and self-interest that keeps people from ever taking group action.
If you’re a union rep and organizer then you should know better. Unions have been dying for 60 years and only came into existence because people were so poorly treated they were willing to fight, and possibly die, as some did, instead of labour. Their bargaining position was also considerably stronger, not having to compete against a world labour market or the viability of moving production to other nations.
The extremity of the situation provoked action, organizing only facilitated, it didn’t provoke it. You are doing a significant amount of rationalizing on your end. Change isn’t impossible, it happens all the time, but intentional change through group effort is not caused by eager organizers who just believe enough. People en masse must be provoked to action by circumstance.
There is a habitually lying, child rapist, conman and fraud, whose been granted legally immunity to violate the constitution and all laws, twice elected, and sitting in the White House, supported by the entire GOP and half the nation. People can’t seem to figure out they should act to deal with that. Good ideas and wise choices don’t make people act, desperation, necessity and self-interest do. Circumstances do. That’s why propaganda and distractions work so well, they are the circumstances.
Nihilism and realism look the same to an optimist. That’s you right now. Rationalizing away observed history to retain your will to act because you can’t face a harsh truth about the disappointment and inefficacy of convincing mass behavior out of people.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 9 hours ago
Ah, back to spreading nihilism again, I see. I’ll share the same thing I said last time:
minorkeys@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
You have no actual plan other than a plea to “try”. Funny that you criticize the nihilist’s lack of trying but not the general population’s. Even though both result in the same inaction. Atleast the nihilist usually once cared, unlike the masses who can’t be bothered to ever care. Good luck though. Keep pleading with the wall of indifference, laziness and self-interest that keeps people from ever taking group action.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 7 hours ago
I am a union rep and organizer, I have a front row seat to the movement which is building and growing every day.
Everything you say is rationalization. If change is impossible, that lets you justify your own inaction.
The indifference, laziness and self-interest you perceive is just your own reflection staring back at you.
minorkeys@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
If you’re a union rep and organizer then you should know better. Unions have been dying for 60 years and only came into existence because people were so poorly treated they were willing to fight, and possibly die, as some did, instead of labour. Their bargaining position was also considerably stronger, not having to compete against a world labour market or the viability of moving production to other nations.
The extremity of the situation provoked action, organizing only facilitated, it didn’t provoke it. You are doing a significant amount of rationalizing on your end. Change isn’t impossible, it happens all the time, but intentional change through group effort is not caused by eager organizers who just believe enough. People en masse must be provoked to action by circumstance.
There is a habitually lying, child rapist, conman and fraud, whose been granted legally immunity to violate the constitution and all laws, twice elected, and sitting in the White House, supported by the entire GOP and half the nation. People can’t seem to figure out they should act to deal with that. Good ideas and wise choices don’t make people act, desperation, necessity and self-interest do. Circumstances do. That’s why propaganda and distractions work so well, they are the circumstances.
Nihilism and realism look the same to an optimist. That’s you right now. Rationalizing away observed history to retain your will to act because you can’t face a harsh truth about the disappointment and inefficacy of convincing mass behavior out of people.