Comment on Why Ukraine will not – and should not – give up the Donbas or any other territory
Lowleekun@hexbear.net 3 days agoLess arms sales to Ukraine and higher profit for Russia’s main source of income makes it look like a win over less shahed drones but I might be wrong.
I don’t see how and why Putin would give back Donbass and Crimea and I don’t see Ukraine taking it back. Russia simply has the material basis for waging war far longer. Ukraine is already bled dry, financially and personally.
If Ukraine is not ready to defend itself any longer it also is pretty late fore a ceasefire deal don’t you think?
stephen01king@piefed.zip 3 days ago
Well, less Shahed drones also means Russia has to rely more on expensive ballistic missiles for the foreseeable future. Whether the balance tilts to Ukraine’s favour or Russia would require more in-depth research than I can perform.
You’ll have to provide some sources when saying Ukraine is already bled dry. That’s not something I can accept at face value.
I doubt Ukraine is looking for a simple ceasefire. And me saying until Ukraine is unwilling to fight does not mean until they are unable to defend themselves any longer.
Obviously, there are competent people in the Ukrainian military that can determine when continuing the fight is more disadvantageous for the long term. That point has not been reached yet.
Lowleekun@hexbear.net 3 days ago
Russia has increased its drone production. Not sure by how much but I doubt this will put Ukraine in an advantageous position.
On spending I found this interesting overview. uiamp.org/…/economics-russian-ukrainian-war-2022-… I have not checked it validity. The point is just to show what a huge economic burden the war is on Ukraine compared to Russia.
The question really is not what these two countries are looking for, as both are not very realistic. The question to me is: What and how can an end be realistically achieved, considering their opposed goals. I really don’t see how Ukraine’s position gets any better.
Maybe those military people could judge when a ceasefire makes sense. Politicians however have a mind of their own and personal gains often come before the well being of their people. Who makes the decision?