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ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2 days agoYup yup yup. Ukraine has been an American colony since they got couped in the early 2010s and Europe is another group of American vassals so saying they’re dependent on them doesn’t really change much altogether, it’s not like they’re team BRICS. So it doesn’t really matter. Some people are silly enough to see the Russian war on Ukraine in a vacuum, not understanding the efforts America has gone through for decades to isolate, destabilise and control Russia, the coup and following the establishment of Ukraine as another American base (basically just Taiwan of Eastern Europe) would’ve continued as planned if Russia hadn’t attacked them. It still continued but with obvious difficulties, hence the kind of stalemate between Western powers and Russia.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
Russia is as much a hypocrite here. They are the aggressor using excuses to breach Ukraine’s sovereignty in the same naked way as US or Israel does all the fucking time.
Rich of you to talk about destabiliation as Russia openly interferes in Georgia and Moldova.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Is Russia supposed to move outside of Europe so they don’t get choked and invaded by the West (America and dogs, and I live in a dog country, trust me I don’t like it either)? Is it their fault they are now surrounded by American vassal states, finally with the Ukrainian takeover (Zelensky was publicly embarrassed with that whole “did you even say thank you?” or whatever that was, scolded like a child and the entire EU was meant to sit like employees listening to daddy Trump seen in that recent infamous picture: even the nature of the relationships between these countries and America, the vassalage, is more than out in the open!)?
Friend, if you think that the alternative to Russia moving against Ukraine before America managed to build all the military facilities and industry to finally takeover Russia and make the entirety of Europe their vassals is a “non aligned, independent Ukraine”, you live in la la land. No, this is somewhat similar to what Iran is doing with his nearby neighbours, except that they got bombed twice and suffered the decapitation of their political and religious leader. They believed in the West, they tried diplomacy, after a coup and the following revolution, after years of economic wars. The difference is that Russia anticipated this to a certain degree (they still got all their money stolen by European banks 🤷), probably because the Russians have already dealt with the West for long enough to know they only know violence and subjugation, not cooperation and integration, so war was always going to happen. So Ukraine got infiltrated and couped (or “had their revolution” if you still buy into propaganda) and the rest is history.
Also, bear in mind, any country “moving into the Western sphere of influence” is a potential danger to their non-subjugated neighbours, because at any moment America can start building bases and intelligence and then destabilisation or strikes start happening. For Russia, this is existential, same as it is for Iran today. You’ll notice you mentioned Russian neighbours and not, idk, Somalia, Iran, Vietnam, Venezuela, etc etc. I feel that speaks for itself, right?
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
We are inpase it seems. You support violating countries sovereignty when it suites you, I oppose it in all cases. There is nothing you can say that can justify or excuse it.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Fair enough, fair enough.