Comment on A communist and an anarchist walk into a bar..

• Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  What can be asserted without evidence can be discarded without evidence.

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  • Calfpupa@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Which is why mikas comment can be dismissed, and you’re ignoring the personal attack.

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    • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      So are we not counting the Bolsheviks as “communists” when they murdered their anarchist allies? Because they certainly said they were.

      marxists.org/…/bolsheviks-shooting-anarchists.htm…

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      • Eyro_Elloyn@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Dude responded faithfully until this comment, that’s so weird. I suppose life got busy in the utopia.

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      • Calfpupa@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        So this came after the Bolshevik-Makhnovist conflict, where “After Nykyfor Hryhoriv mutinied against the Bolsheviks, tensions between the two factions culminated with the Makhnovists being declared outlaws and Makhno resigning his command within the Red Army.” So they were consistently breaking agreements they’d made, refused to surrender and reintegrate with the Red Army to fight the greater Polish-Soviet war, and were thus declared outlaws. Not a great look imo.

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      • Calfpupa@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Thanks for the link, I’ll read this later.

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    • Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Heyyyyyyy so it looks like that guy actually responded to you, don’t go now! I just got a fresh batch of popcorn!

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    • BrickEater@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Literally everyone here thinks you have the stupidest fucking take.

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      • Calfpupa@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        And?

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• backalleycoyote@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Here’s my refute.

  A communist and an anarchist walk into a bar. The anarchist proceeds to get shithoused, then fights a bonehead. The commie discusses political philosophy and theory with their friends while this goes down, then criticizes the anarchist for “performative gestures” instead of strategizing for long term effective action. The anarchist has a few more shots, smokes a cigarette, and waits for the next bonehead to arrive. The commies leave after deciding on what their world will look like after the revolution but make no plans on how to kickoff the revolution.

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  • BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The capitalist bar owner makes a killing over the whole thing, and they all do it again tomorrow

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    • backalleycoyote@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      A killing? Whoever owns the shithole dive commies and anarchists hang out in is not making a killing slinging $1.50 PBRs and $3.50 wells. If the commie really has an issue with capitalism they could a) not patronize the bar, or b) actually attempt to seize the means of production from the corporate conglomerate that owns 99% of alcohol manufacturing. The problem is that those people are out of reach, the bar owner lives in town. I would wager that the bar owner is at best a tax bracket above the anarchist and communist, both of whom have jobs themselves despite philosophical issues with capitalism. If we’re going to keep punching within the same class, at least punch the bigots.

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• TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Usually when you make a claim it’s up to you to support it with some kind of evidence.

  Asking someone to refute something they disagree with is basically asking someone to prove a negative.

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  • Calfpupa@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Very insightful, I think you were trying to reply to OC

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    • TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It applies to both statements. Ideally they would have posted examples of anarchists who sided with leftist and were killed afterwards, and you would have cited examples of anarchist siding with capitalists and then being betrayed.

      Tbf there are probably examples of both scenarios, as anarchist by their own nature aren’t exactly a unified political body.

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      • Findus_Falke@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Because anarchists (of any kind) being betrayed by communists (of any kind) is such a common historical trope, you don’t have to do the work of gathering that information yourself. People have already done it.

        www.reddit.com/r/…/marxists_betray_anarchists/

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• Holytimes@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I mean… Play stupid games win stupid prizes and all that…

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• athatet@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  You mean like you did? Oh wait…

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  • Calfpupa@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yeah that’s the point bud

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• vathecka@lemmy.radio ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Read kochinski loser

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