Comment on Reason #72151 why I don't tolerate Neelix hate

macabrett@hexbear.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Stamets@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You’re using human standards and forcing them on an alien species. Two alien species actually. Kes started dating at 2, sure, but she also has an average life expectancy of 10. Meaning, in human terms, she started dating when she was 20-25. If anything she was late to the party.

  It’s not a fair complaint.

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  • Bonehead@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well...if you want to go there...

    Neelix tells Seven that he was around the planet for about a year before Voyager shows up. Kes wasn't even 2 at that point. He explicitly states that he and Kes were "getting close" during that year. At most, Kes was maybe 7 months old when she met Neelix. And he pursued a relationship, with a whole lot of jealously involved, in that year. In human terms, she was likely about 13 or 14 year old...maybe younger.

    It's a perfectly fair complaint.

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    • Stamets@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No. It is not even remotely a perfectly fair complaint and it has already been explained why.

      You are using human standards and forcing them upon two aliens. The age that Kes and Neelix met and started to get to know one another are utterly irrelevant without information about Ocampan maturity rates.

      I am not continuing this nonsense.

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      • Bonehead@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Human or not, engaging in a relationship with someone that hasn't fully matured let alone reached age of procreation is a little creepy. We know enough about Ocampans to know they don't teach maturity by 6 months old, or even 1 year old. This should not be normalized...

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  • delawen@floss.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @Stamets @macabrett

    That only means that Kes should probably not have a relationship with anyone from a longer lifespan species.

    The same way a 200 year old Vulcan would look at a 20 year old human as an immature kid. Hell, I look at a 20 year old human as immature and I'm just in my thirties!

    Biological maturity does not equal getting the life experience of an adult. Not enough life experience means more naive and easier to manipulate, even if the older being doesn't want to.

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    • Doug@midwest.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hell, I look at a 20 year old human as immature and I’m just in my thirties!

      Biological maturity does not equal getting the life experience of an adult. Not enough life experience means more naive and easier to manipulate, even if the older being doesn’t want to.

      That’s some shit and you should judge people by their character instead of their age. I’ve known people in their fifties and sixties who were less mature than other people I’ve known in their twenties, and we’re not dealing with developmental issues here.

      Some people have gone through way too much shit by the time they hit twenty and have moved well past being “naive and easy to manipulate”. I say this having been one and married another.

      Maybe the real “immature kid” is the one making ageist judgements on people who really aren’t that much younger than they are.

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  • axont@hexbear.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s still weird in the context of humans made the show Star Trek. I actually like Neelix and Voyager but it was still a little weird. It felt like those times the writers want to inject their fetish into the script, or like in anime there will be a 10,000 year old vampire who looks 9.

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    • Stamets@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Beverly Crusher fucked a space ghost who lives in a lantern.

      TNG is pretty readily guilty of that as well.

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