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pjhenry1216@kbin.social 8 months agoI think you're missing the point. You're still generating something purely based only on other things. There's nothing of an artist in there. There's no message. There's no art. You created content. You aren't in there. And I know this seems odd because there's no way to know this without extra knowledge, but something is lost. And it's not an artist's tool. It's a non-artist's tool.
j4k3@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You are wrong because you are arbitrary in your assumptions. I have spent years painting cars and doing graphics and airbrush professionally. I am a Maker. I can craft with almost any medium both digital and physical. Once upon a time, anyone that did not craft all of their own colors and base media were considered fake artists. This is a tool. I can create exponentially more than you to search for a better composition. So can you, so can everyone else. The stupid people will resist this change while intelligent people will learn the tech, adapt, and raise everyone’s expectations about what art really is. This is the fundamental shift happening right now. The value of time investment has changed drastically. If you can’t adapt to that change you only hurt yourself in the end. Open Source offline AI at a useful level is around 6 months old. It is at the stage where products targeting end users are still getting developed. In the next 2 years, everything is going to be different. In 10 years the quality of art media will make the present look like child’s play. Feel free to plan your own obsolescence. This is the biggest game changer since the internet of the late 90’s. It is funny how people that have not tried it or really looked into what this can be used for have strong opinions about it, or put their head in the sand when they are told. I got it to learn computer science so that I can upload a book as a database and ask the book plain text questions, and so that I could do some interesting CAD techniques in Blender. The second I saw I could question a book offline with citations, I was sold.
pjhenry1216@kbin.social 8 months ago
I'm not arbitrary. I explicitly gave a reasonable difference between content and art. You can create content without soul, that's fine. I'm not saying you need to mix your own paint. I'm saying art is inherently human by definition. You can pump out all the content you want, but it will just make finding decent art that much worse. It's like saying ChatGPT can pump out android apps more quickly, but I don't think anyone would argue it'd raise the quality of the Android app markets.
You're just thinking of everything from the point of view of middle management. Quantity over quality.
When you remove humans from the equation, it's not art. It's content. It's disposable fluff. It's mass produced. It's soulless. But sure, think yourself intelligent because you literally put money over anything else. Why don't you just flood the market with remakes and remasters at this point. It fits your argument.
You can't raise an expectation of art by literally removing any meaning to it.
j4k3@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You need to learn and try this. You don’t know what you don’t know and you are making a lot of bad assumptions. The result is not random. The creativity is understanding what the words do and the process just like any other art. There is a lot of nuance. Every word I chose has an impact in both sets of prompts. This is a the result of taking the best image of 60, and and then using it to generate a chain where I slowly adjusted a whole bunch of tools to make this output. I got to the point where each new iteration has very little change to the final image. The word order matters, the “()” brackets strengthen the power and even more if it includes a number like “:1.8” The “[ ]” makes something weaker. Words are more powerful at the beginning and the last word. The placement of composition, technique, and metadata words matters. There are dozens of other techniques just when it comes to the basic settings, and there are limitless ways to alter the output learning about how the AI actually works. This is similar to what digital photography did to film photography. Is it going to kill old techniques? it will completely change the paradigm.
With the best outputs from AI, you can’t spot the difference unless you are told, no one can. This is the only this that matters in the end. Art is made to be looked at, and if the viewer can’t tell the difference, that is the only difference that matters. I’m not ‘the enemy,’ this isn’t a team sport or black and white. I’m just a regular dude actually using this to improve myself. I’ve used it enough to know what I’m doing, and know what I’m talking about, but like, I barely touch image generation stuff. If I spent a week putting together the toolchains better I could produce a much better image that what I posted.
pjhenry1216@kbin.social 8 months ago
Every word has an impact that you can't predict. So no. All your words and condescending tone speak more about what you don't know. You are are hitting a button and continually trying new things until you get the results from the AI that you want. That is not the same. Especially since you'll start just changing things just because your original intent didn't match what you want so you'll start reaching for other synonyms and the like.
It simply isn't the same as human inspiration. There's a reason courts voted against giving rights to AI generated art to the prompt creator. Their reasoning holds.
Just because someone might not be able to tell the difference between a forgery and the real thing doesn't make them both equally art.
Same holds true to your example which I literally already used and explained why it didn't work. Are you even reading my comments or just ranting?