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Comment on Online age-verification tools spread across U.S. for child safety, but adults are being surveilled

Lfrith@lemmy.ca ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

Your idea LITERALLY lets those in charge decide what information you get access to, so maybe you should be a little more skeptical.

My idea is already in place. When you log into your ISP to pay bills or manage your plan you can already toggle on or off parental control. Its just changing it so its enabled by default since so many parents seem clueless it even exists.

Turn it off and its just the way it already is now.

I trust neither. That’s why I like the system I’m describing. It puts ME in charge of MY data, and gives me controll over who gets to use it, and exactly what they’re allowed to do with it

Your new additional system puts trust that those who wrote the system will not end up exposing which tokens were used for your accounts by your ID that is linked to it. Either because the program was written for the government or corporations to do so, or eventually incompetence leading to exploit that exposes it.

Only proposal I’ve liked is being able to buy tokens at a store without any ID being logged and buying new ones when it expires. Like the mullvad VPN gift cards.

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Kraiden@piefed.social ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

My idea is already in place

Yes, and by turning it on you are opting in to allowing your ISP to decide what information you get access to. Making that the default is a TERRIBLE idea.

your ID that is linked

There is nothing linking your account to you IRL. This is what I’m having a really hard time getting through to people. That situation cannot happen. “The people who wrote the system” don’t at any stage get access to information that could expose you. Your data never leaves your sphere of influence. That’s what makes the system so great.

Only proposal I’ve liked is being able to buy tokens at a store without any ID being logged and buying new ones when it expires. Like the mullvad VPN gift cards.

Yes! What I’m trying to describe is that process, but in a digital space. Swap the store with a LOCAL app (ie: one that doesn’t phone home, and can generate the tokens on your device), and swap the ID with the cert file, and you’ve got the same process in the digital space, with all the same benefits

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- Lfrith@lemmy.ca ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  Yes, and by turning it on you are opting in to allowing your ISP to decide what information you get access to. Making that the default is a TERRIBLE idea.
  
  So turn it off.
  
  Yes! What I’m trying to describe is that process, but in a digital space. Swap the store with a LOCAL app (ie: one that doesn’t phone home, and can generate the tokens on your device), and swap the ID with the cert file, and you’ve got the same process in the digital space, with all the same benefits
  
  I dont trust the digital space version because you’d have to trust the code and to be approved as an approved verification system would require the government to sign off on it. Third party doesn’t exist in a independent space for something like this when government oversight is required.
  
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  - Kraiden@piefed.social ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    you’d have to trust the code and to be an approved system would require the government to sign off on it
    
    No! That’s the great part, because it’s just fancy crypto maths, there’s no reason it couldn’t be a FOSS app. Estonia has several 3rd party providers, and they do get certified, but that’s not a necessity
    
    So turn it off.
    
    Tell that to the people in China. Seriously, if you get a chance, read the article I linked. It’ll do a much better job than I ever could at explaining why what you’re describing is just about the worst possible solution to this problem imaginable.
    
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