Comment on Online age-verification tools spread across U.S. for child safety, but adults are being surveilled
Kraiden@piefed.social 19 hours agoPeople will find a way around verification
Sure, but that’s true regardless of implementation. Your Great Firewall approach is by far the easiest to circumvent, and comes with by far the biggest drawbacks. Even worse than handing a face scan and a copy of your ID to every website that asks.
To have a perfect system
Who said anything about perfect? The system is NOT perfect. What it IS though, is private, and better than the alternatives.
You either accept that system isn’t perfect or push for complete surveillance.
Says who? It doesn’t have to be that black and white. “Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good” as the saying goes. You don’t have to accept your privacy being violated, AND you don’t have to just roll over, give up, and let kids access anything they want.
You seem willing to risk what will turn out to be surveillance
No. My whole point is that the privacy/anonymity and age verification are NOT mutually exclusive. You CAN have both.
I’m more skeptical and not trusting of those in charge
Your idea LITERALLY lets those in charge decide what information you get access to, so maybe you should be a little more skeptical.
how much someone trusts their government and corporations
I trust neither. That’s why I like the system I’m describing. It puts ME in charge of MY data, and gives me controll over who gets to use it, and exactly what they’re allowed to do with it
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 19 hours ago
My idea is already in place. When you log into your ISP to pay bills or manage your plan you can already toggle on or off parental control. Its just changing it so its enabled by default since so many parents seem clueless it even exists.
Turn it off and its just the way it already is now.
Your new additional system puts trust that those who wrote the system will not end up exposing which tokens were used for your accounts by your ID that is linked to it. Either because the program was written for the government or corporations to do so, or eventually incompetence leading to exploit that exposes it.
Only proposal I’ve liked is being able to buy tokens at a store without any ID being logged and buying new ones when it expires. Like the mullvad VPN gift cards.
Kraiden@piefed.social 18 hours ago
Yes, and by turning it on you are opting in to allowing your ISP to decide what information you get access to. Making that the default is a TERRIBLE idea.
There is nothing linking your account to you IRL. This is what I’m having a really hard time getting through to people. That situation cannot happen. “The people who wrote the system” don’t at any stage get access to information that could expose you. Your data never leaves your sphere of influence. That’s what makes the system so great.
Yes! What I’m trying to describe is that process, but in a digital space. Swap the store with a LOCAL app (ie: one that doesn’t phone home, and can generate the tokens on your device), and swap the ID with the cert file, and you’ve got the same process in the digital space, with all the same benefits
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 18 hours ago
So turn it off.
I dont trust the digital space version because you’d have to trust the code and to be approved as an approved verification system would require the government to sign off on it. Third party doesn’t exist in a independent space for something like this when government oversight is required.
Kraiden@piefed.social 18 hours ago
No! That’s the great part, because it’s just fancy crypto maths, there’s no reason it couldn’t be a FOSS app. Estonia has several 3rd party providers, and they do get certified, but that’s not a necessity
Tell that to the people in China. Seriously, if you get a chance, read the article I linked. It’ll do a much better job than I ever could at explaining why what you’re describing is just about the worst possible solution to this problem imaginable.