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pjhenry1216@kbin.social 8 months agoIt's not the same as an artist being inspired. It's more like an artist painting something in the style of someone else. AI can generate anything new and it doesn't transform things in its own way. It just copies and melds together. Nothing about it is really it's own. It's just a biased algorithm putting things together. Moreover, the artist could actually forget what the painting looks like, but still be inspired. If you erase something from the LLM, it will change it's output. It's basically more of a constant copying.
That analogy is what a bunch of people who want to sell AI art try to pitch. It's the difference between content and art.
j4k3@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It is possible to do more of what I would call inspired. Models are not just restricted to “in the style of” in that unrelated abstract ideas can be mixed to create something altogether new. It takes a good model and training, but like this is just from 15 minutes of messing around in Stable Diffusion trying to make Van Gogh do his best impression of Bob Ross. I’m adding all kinds of inspirational concepts all the way to emotions and contrasting them and doing this in layers of refinement using a series of images. I’m not very practiced at this. I would call this an artist’s tool. Yes it changes the paradigm, but people need to get over there resistance to change as this evolution; adapt or die. Image
I used tricks like image to image, and this was not my best result as far as Van Gogh:Bob Ross, but I like it most of the 150 images I made.
Positive: texture, (in the style of Vincent van Gogh:Bob Ross), [nasa], swirl, spiral, foreground tree, mountain drive, kindness, love, masterclass, (abstract:1.8), painting, dark, silhouette, swirls, texture, branches, ocean waves, anger, lonely
Negative: red, (signature), multiple moons, buildings, modern, structures, guard rail, snow, realism, yellow, orange, detailed mountains, left side line, stretchy stars, brake lights, forest
Seed: 1053938996 Model: Absolute Reality V1.6525
pjhenry1216@kbin.social 8 months ago
I think you're missing the point. You're still generating something purely based only on other things. There's nothing of an artist in there. There's no message. There's no art. You created content. You aren't in there. And I know this seems odd because there's no way to know this without extra knowledge, but something is lost. And it's not an artist's tool. It's a non-artist's tool.
j4k3@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You are wrong because you are arbitrary in your assumptions. I have spent years painting cars and doing graphics and airbrush professionally. I am a Maker. I can craft with almost any medium both digital and physical. Once upon a time, anyone that did not craft all of their own colors and base media were considered fake artists. This is a tool. I can create exponentially more than you to search for a better composition. So can you, so can everyone else. The stupid people will resist this change while intelligent people will learn the tech, adapt, and raise everyone’s expectations about what art really is. This is the fundamental shift happening right now. The value of time investment has changed drastically. If you can’t adapt to that change you only hurt yourself in the end. Open Source offline AI at a useful level is around 6 months old. It is at the stage where products targeting end users are still getting developed. In the next 2 years, everything is going to be different. In 10 years the quality of art media will make the present look like child’s play. Feel free to plan your own obsolescence. This is the biggest game changer since the internet of the late 90’s. It is funny how people that have not tried it or really looked into what this can be used for have strong opinions about it, or put their head in the sand when they are told. I got it to learn computer science so that I can upload a book as a database and ask the book plain text questions, and so that I could do some interesting CAD techniques in Blender. The second I saw I could question a book offline with citations, I was sold.
pjhenry1216@kbin.social 8 months ago
I'm not arbitrary. I explicitly gave a reasonable difference between content and art. You can create content without soul, that's fine. I'm not saying you need to mix your own paint. I'm saying art is inherently human by definition. You can pump out all the content you want, but it will just make finding decent art that much worse. It's like saying ChatGPT can pump out android apps more quickly, but I don't think anyone would argue it'd raise the quality of the Android app markets.
You're just thinking of everything from the point of view of middle management. Quantity over quality.
When you remove humans from the equation, it's not art. It's content. It's disposable fluff. It's mass produced. It's soulless. But sure, think yourself intelligent because you literally put money over anything else. Why don't you just flood the market with remakes and remasters at this point. It fits your argument.
You can't raise an expectation of art by literally removing any meaning to it.