Although most of it was probably his schizophrenia talking. I figure somebody who made an entire OS because he though God told him to, canāt be held 100% responsible for his actionsā¦
He was severely mentally ill and homeless by the end of his life, iirc doing youtube interviews for a big mac. He was a brilliant person who was failed by society and while i definitely donāt condone his actions or rhetoric, its my understanding that he wasnāt a bigot before his mental health declined. Im sure he had his biases that led to his bigotry later on, but that could be said about almost anyone.
If youāve known any schizophrenicsā¦ well, a part of their whole thing is persistent delusions.
Things you cannot get them to change their mind about, to try and comprehend in a different way, realize are false or are incoherent.
Bigotry is subset of that, and, while certainly not all, some of schizophrenics Iāve known have had one form or another of bigotry as one of those things they basically canāt abandon, a mode or element of their thinking that never goes away.
The whole conceptual āproblemā isā¦ with a schizophrenicā¦ how do you know what parts of them are āthe schizophrenia talkingā, and which arenāt?
You canāt really.
Its a whole different way a mind can work, its a kind of neurodivergence.
Like, Iām autistic, a different kind of nuerodivergent, and I attempted to autistically understand the thought processes of the schizophrenics I knew, trying to map out categories and flow charts and triggers and conditions.
ā¦ this didnāt work.
They often donāt understand their own thought processes, or will tell you two obviously logically mutually exclusive things are both true at the same time, and this will not bother them and they will just emphatically tell you its not inconsistent, with further logic that is also fairly obviously inconsistent.
But what kinds of thinking is ādisorderedā, and what kinds of thinking ā¦ are logically consistent?
I could find no overall pattern to that with the schizophrenics I knew, nor even really any rhyme or reason that could stably describe a singe one of them.
But, sometimes, the flipside of that, will be them explaining a way of thinking about somethingā¦ that actually is valid, and is basically fucking wild, revolutionary, but it actually does logically check out when you work through it.
And then sometimes its a mix of both.
The best way that I have of understanding schizophrenia is basically that the pattern recognition and thus decision making framework within such a mind is radically different than āthe normā (again Iām autistic so thatās also reliant on my understanding of āthe normā), and I canāt really describe it in any more detail than that.
Blackmist@feddit.uk āØ1ā© āØmonthā© ago
He certainly liked the N word.
Although most of it was probably his schizophrenia talking. I figure somebody who made an entire OS because he though God told him to, canāt be held 100% responsible for his actionsā¦
erev@lemmy.world āØ1ā© āØmonthā© ago
He was severely mentally ill and homeless by the end of his life, iirc doing youtube interviews for a big mac. He was a brilliant person who was failed by society and while i definitely donāt condone his actions or rhetoric, its my understanding that he wasnāt a bigot before his mental health declined. Im sure he had his biases that led to his bigotry later on, but that could be said about almost anyone.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com āØ1ā© āØmonthā© ago
Yeah.
If youāve known any schizophrenicsā¦ well, a part of their whole thing is persistent delusions.
Things you cannot get them to change their mind about, to try and comprehend in a different way, realize are false or are incoherent.
Bigotry is subset of that, and, while certainly not all, some of schizophrenics Iāve known have had one form or another of bigotry as one of those things they basically canāt abandon, a mode or element of their thinking that never goes away.
The whole conceptual āproblemā isā¦ with a schizophrenicā¦ how do you know what parts of them are āthe schizophrenia talkingā, and which arenāt?
You canāt really.
Its a whole different way a mind can work, its a kind of neurodivergence.
Like, Iām autistic, a different kind of nuerodivergent, and I attempted to autistically understand the thought processes of the schizophrenics I knew, trying to map out categories and flow charts and triggers and conditions.
ā¦ this didnāt work.
They often donāt understand their own thought processes, or will tell you two obviously logically mutually exclusive things are both true at the same time, and this will not bother them and they will just emphatically tell you its not inconsistent, with further logic that is also fairly obviously inconsistent.
But what kinds of thinking is ādisorderedā, and what kinds of thinking ā¦ are logically consistent?
I could find no overall pattern to that with the schizophrenics I knew, nor even really any rhyme or reason that could stably describe a singe one of them.
But, sometimes, the flipside of that, will be them explaining a way of thinking about somethingā¦ that actually is valid, and is basically fucking wild, revolutionary, but it actually does logically check out when you work through it.
And then sometimes its a mix of both.
The best way that I have of understanding schizophrenia is basically that the pattern recognition and thus decision making framework within such a mind is radically different than āthe normā (again Iām autistic so thatās also reliant on my understanding of āthe normā), and I canāt really describe it in any more detail than that.