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• wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Oh, because we all know that the entire event was caught on video and it was so easy to smuggle film out of china at the time.

  (Context: the video of tank man was hidden in a toilet while the authorities searched the man’s apartment after he was spotted filming from his window).

  But denying massacres of civilians is so in character for someone from .ml, so nobody is surprised, really…

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  • flamingleg@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    So if you’ve watched the full ‘tankman’ footage you would know that he wasn’t killed by a tank or by anything else in that video. You can believe decades and decades of breathless propaganda coming directly out of the NED and the other usual characters, or you believe your own lying eyes.

    It’s sufficient to assume that if this one important image was essentially a lie, then many other aspects of the story are manufactured. For example did you know that many dozens of police officers (who were unarmed) were burnt to death by the student protestors? did you know that the leaders of the student protests were coordinating with and were paid by western intelligence agencies?

    I might be a tankie, but you are a normie.

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    • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      So because tank man wasn’t killed on camera, you’re claiming the entire massacre was a lie?

      Does anyone even claim that he was killed? That was never the point of that video. The point was that an unnamed, ordinary, everyday person can be a hero during difficult times, even on his way back from the grocery store. He didn’t go out that day planning to be a hero, but the circumstances aligned and he chose courage over complacency.

      For example did you know that many dozens of police officers (who were unarmed) were burnt to death by the student protestors?

      Is that on video? Cause it sounds like you won’t believe the protesters were murdered unless it’s on video. So do you have video evidence corroborating this claim that it was actually the protesters who were killing cops?

      I never thought I would hear a tankie with a pro-police argument. I guess “ACAB” comes with a footnote that says “except for the PLA”? How fast they turn around and lick boots when the dictators are anti-west…

      did you know that the leaders of the student protests were coordinating with and were paid by western intelligence agencies?

      You’re gonna need some evidence to back that up. Maga claims the anti-ICE protestors are paid by foreign influence, but the truth is people simply don’t like being oppressed by violent dictators.

      Did you know that literally nancy pelosi was on the ground during those protests?

      I don’t give a shit what nancy pelosi was doing. She’s a political opportunist and saw a moment to extort for clout. It’s not that deep.

      do you know anything other than what imperialist propaganda has directed you to ‘know’?

      Do you “know” anything other than imperialist propaganda has directed you to “know”? Tankies are a cult like maga, you reject reality as “propaganda” because it doesn’t align with your worldview, which is largely composed of actual propaganda.

      I’d rather be a tankie than a normie

      I’m definitely no normie, but thank fuck there are more than two options (sorry not sorry that conflicts with your campist worldview, but life isn’t sportsball team).

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      • flamingleg@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        It is routinely claimed that the ‘tankman’ was killed by the tank right after the clip that is usually shown ends. The full video shows that he left along with others who convinced him to leave. You might not be making that claim, but that was what the anti-chinese propaganda claimed for decades.

        The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that the massacre in fact happened. What exists in video form is a man standing in front of a tank and then NOT being killed. Despite many many lies sugfesting otherwise. It seems like you don’t participate in that particular lie, while still uncritically accepting the rest of the narrative. Perhaps if one major detail of the story is false other details of the story are also false? i guess we’ll just have to trust that the same three-letter agencies who have every reason and motive to undermine chinese sovereignty are in this particular case trustworthy.

        I mention the burning to death of unarmed police to illustrate to you which side was the more violent and unrestrained. Violence which is characteristic of foreign regime-change operations and hybrid warfare.

        I want to defund the police and reform the organisation to serve the people, there’s enough room within this worldview to not be burning cops alive (and i must stress again that the were not armed with lethal force).

        You say that you aren’t a normie but then uncritically accept an obviously distorted version of history which has been constructed to serve western imperial interests.

        Maybe you’re an operator who does actually know the truth but lies about it professionally. In that case i’m sorry for inaccurately describing you as a normie, when really you would be a glowie.

        but just in case you are actually just a normie in denial here’s a thing to read

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