Comment on Green Party wins Gorton and Denton by-election with Labour pushed into third by Reform
moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 5 days agoTrue. I think voters want to see politicians who embody values that voters like. The pitch of “vote for us just because we’re not quite as bad as the other guys”, without stating appealing values of your own, doesn’t really inspire anybody
jabjoe@feddit.uk 5 days ago
Yep. Compounding it, the far right throw in trolling social media that there is no point voting. That those opposing the far right are just as bad in some way. That there is no less bad option to vote, so don’t bother.
Frankly, I blame those who didn’t vote Harris or Clinton almost as those voted Trump. Hold your nose and vote less bad, AND push for a better system. The UK’s FPTP is deeply broken, but it’s dysfunction is nothing compared with the US’s duopoly.
moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 5 days ago
Yes the voting systems of both the UK and US are broken because they’re unrepresentative. Hillary Clinton in 2016 got about 3 million more votes than Trump did. In many countries that would have made her the president. But the anti-democratic electoral college system in the US meant that Trump was made president instead.
jabjoe@feddit.uk 4 days ago
Electoral college isn’t ideal, but the two party system is worse. It’s just red vs blue. My team vs your team. It’s false. Far better as in much of Europe, a sea of parties, coming and going, constantly compromising. That’s a better reflection of real politics.
moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 4 days ago
I think the German system looks pretty good. Their voting system leads to a much more representative legislature. Another example when looking at proportional representation is the Netherlands, but their system seems to lead to lots of lengthy coalition negotiations and squabbling before they form a government.
Germany, for much of the last 20 years, has had a coalition government between the big centre-right and big centre-left blocs. E.g. in the 2005 election, 69.4% of voters backed either the Union or SPD, who together made up the subsequent coalition government. Compare that to the UK where we have a Labour government who, whether you like them or not, were only voted for by 33.7% of voters.