Comment on big facts
lime@feddit.nu 8 hours agowe’re comparing it to a system where none of that has been done. it’s sort of a “god of the gaps” situation but the gaps are shaped exactly like pieces in a puzzle. we can extrapolate the form of the proof even if we can’t show it. the same is not true of the other camp.
cynar@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
You say that, but, if the universe has an infinite lifespan (as current models suggest) then we would almost certainly be Boltzmann brains. (There would be an infinite amount of Boltzmann brains, but only a finite number of humans)
I personally believe I am not, and the universe actually exists, rather than a sensory/memory ghost.
lime@feddit.nu 5 hours ago
surely if the universe has an infinite lifespan there could be an infinite number of humans? for whatever passes as a huban at any given time. the two concepts may even overlap.
not that it matters for the day-to-day, anyway.
cynar@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
The logic is that the universe of big bang matter has a limited lifespan. This sets a hard limit on the number of humans via “normal” means.
Boltzmann brains are due to a quirk of quantum mechanics. Matter can come into existence spontaneously. The rate is proportional to the amount (technically the energy content). Given enough time and space, something that would fit the definition of human could spontaneously appear. The odds of this are unbelievably long, but, so long as it’s finitely large, in a true infinite universe it will happen an infinite number of times. It’s a bit of infinity Vs very large number weirdness.
End result is that there will be a large but finite number of “normal” humans, but an infinite number of Boltzmann brain humans. Therefore, the chances of being an actual “normal” human is effectively infinitesimal.
Agreed about it not mattering, day to day. It’s one of those things that is of interest to theoretical physicists, since it might tell us something interesting about the nature of our universe.
lime@feddit.nu 2 hours ago
it is very interesting, but it’s also one of those topics that makes anything else in the conversation not matter.
also do note that i said nothing about thinking sensory inputs are illusory, just that belief is not required for things to exist.
Digit@lemmy.wtf 4 hours ago
Sounds like presuming some place further along in an infinite set. We may still be in an early iteration at the start, as plain as it seems.