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hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

Because the people make the platform, and not the functions, and for lots of people you need a lower entry barrier, and the entry barrier for both of those is a good bit higher than fluxer.

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chortle_tortle@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
That’s valid, and I think I was coming off a bit of frustration from the previous comment I made in this chain. I think my frustration is that there are so many new apps that all try and build the features of discord, but always seem to base in closed protocols. I think my frustration is that they so rarely use protocols that already exist, and with that add to the “15 competing standards” problem. Which is why I get much more excited by projects like Movim.

With all of that though, while I agree element has hiccups, XMPP has been around forever and is solid. We saw this with twitter migration too, the existence of other servers makes it seem more difficult, when that’s not really the case. As this video shows, go to the place to want to sign up, give a user and password, confirm you’re human, and use it. That’s already less than the email confirmation of discord.

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- hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Now this is a question: how far can you get with xmpp? Could you build an interface on top of it to look exactly like discord with all of it’s functions? Or does something like that already exist?
  
  My first instinct with these older protocols is that there’s no way they could support 10 people in a voice call with concurrent camera streams and 3 screen captures. I’m genuinely curious how far xmpp goes.
  
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  - chortle_tortle@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    XMPP is wildly extendable, my limited understanding is that Jingle is the extension used for this. From the abstract:
    
    This specification defines an XMPP protocol extension for initiating and managing peer-to-peer media sessions between two XMPP entities in a way that is interoperable with existing Internet standards. The protocol provides a pluggable model that enables the core session management semantics (compatible with SIP) to be used for a wide variety of application types (e.g., voice chat, video chat, file transfer) and with a wide variety of transport methods (e.g., TCP, UDP, ICE, application-specific transports).
    
    I haven’t seen anything about the the extrema of the use cases like that, but Movim is working on building out many of the features of discord and it is built on XMPP.
    
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    hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Ok so when you’re talking about xmpp as a discord alternative, basically movim is kind of what people should be paying attention to.
    
    I’ll def check that out. I am also passively observing progress on stoat.
    
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