Comment on Can I get some support rn please
blarghly@lemmy.world 2 days agoI will say, I am doing OMAD rn. What you are describing sounds like a very significant eating disorder.
You say you dry fasted for 60 hours. The most obvious problem here is that the human body can die from dehydration at around 72 hours, or sooner, without water.
You say you fasted for 60 hours and then “failed”. How long were you intending to fast? I doubt that basically any medical professional, even proponents of IF, would recommend fasting indefinitely for fat loss.
Feeling better when you are in ketosis is normal. I suggest that if you are chasing this feeling with increasingly long fasts, that instead you simply switch to a ketogenic diet. Or take up distance running.
Eating after 60 hours of no food would not be considered indulgent by anyone. Eating food is a normal function of literally every animal species - you are not diseased. The idea that eating food is endangering your family is, to be frank, delusional.
To be clear, there is nothing wrong with having a desire to lose bodyfat, nor to pursue reasonable strategies to doing so. However, here is the secret: one of the biggest drivers of gaining and keeping bodyfat is stress. So if you are constantly stressed about being fat, you will keep the fat on. The most important thing for you to do right now is to talk to a mental health professional about the emotions you are experiencing and discuss your current body comp strategies with them. It will be far better for both your health and your long-term bidy comp goals
hayyy@thelemmy.club 2 days ago
Heavy on the can die. There are probably people who could die at 24 hours depending on the circumstances.
I am happy that I made it that far. Further than ever before. I have done 72 hours once but with water and black coffee though. But there was shame around how I ended it…(for reasons I won’t fully go into rn). I would like to get to 7 full days and I know I can and will even feel better for it. Someone else may have a completely different response than me if they try that but I know deep in my bones that it will be healing for me regardless of what anyone says. I know it’s been done before by others too.
I guess it’s a combination of the amount I spent and on what that feels indulgent along with that I wasn’t actually hungry etc. and about it endangering my family, it does sound far fetched or quite extreme of a statement but it feels true and I won’t go into why or how right now.
Yes. It is about stress and for some like me, eating is a stressor. Alongside talking to a professional which honestly I can’t see myself doing atm.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
don’t think going 7 days without food or water is a healthy goal frankly, no matter how much self-determination that might demonstrate. I think you are setting biologically unreasonable goals for yourself, which will likely lead to either harming yourself or to breaking the fast in “a bad way” that will make you feel guilty and ashamed again, or both. Your body and your brain (or soul if you prefer, it’s true either way) need nutrition to function properly. Don’t try to bury your hunger until the point you break and consume a ton of calories while on your phone to try and avoid the guilt*. Maybe you could try fasting for a bit while it still makes you feel good about yourself and how you relate to others (because it’s great that you’re doing that!) but before you reach a point where your body semi-autonomously seeks the first available calories, eat one single fruit. Buy a peach or whatever for cents and take a minute to bite into it and taste it, appreciate the good molecules that it’s giving you. Maybe from there you can move to a small salad or some boiled green leaf vegetables, something that won’t make you gain weight and that you can feel good about eating. Food does not need to be something that makes your body worse or that costs a lot of money. It will take time and likely some external help, but I’m sure you can make it and that soon you’'ll be ending meals with a smile while losing weight, and saving money too :)
Please hear us: There is no emphasis on the can die, you will end up in a bad place in one way or another if you ignore your basic biological needs. You have noble goals in your self-love and your family, and I admire your resolve in your fasts so far, I really do. But as others have said, never eating again is not the way to go about it :)
*: don’t take this in a preachy way, I know the mechanism all too well
hayyy@thelemmy.club 2 days ago
I understand all that but what’s right for one person is wrong for another and vice versa.
7 days sounds extreme but it’s deeply healing for me
I don’t quite know why I’m trying to convince you or others…
There was some reasoning behind what I broke the fast with so I’m not too annoyed with myself about that.
Again, the basic biological need that I’m ignoring is not eating. I know my body more than you or anyone else. I can easily eat 20,000+ in one week consistently. And I probably do. Not that I’m counting. I’m not expecting many if any people to support me on this or understand.
And I’m not planning on “never eating again” by any means. That’s completely unrealistic. I just want to reset my nervous system.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
I am not disputing that you know your body or that it is healing for you, I’m just trying to say that something can be healing in a sense and hurtful in another, at the same time. I am also someone that naturally tends to fast sometimes, but there are pretty well defined limits that go well beyond individual variances. If you’re planning to go for 7 days, please for the love of God at least drink water, or the nervous system reset you’ll get won’t be of the good kind. Your neurons and heart won’t work without water, no matter how strong you are. It contains no nutrients and costs either nothing or next to nothing, and I can guarantee you that being dehydrated is not a factor in the benefits you get from fasting, if not for “feeling high” in the delirious sense.
Everyone who participates in a thread like this is here to understand and support you, so I will say again what both me and others have said, underlining that I am listening to what you’re saying and that my only interest is your well-being: Your idea that not eating or drinking for 7 days is a biological need is not healthy and you should not pursue it. I say this because you’re picking a fight against nature and setting yourself up to lose. I am not saying it is completely physically impossible, but you must realize how that is well beyond human operating ranges, beyond knowing your body - and if you don’t, please, listen to us. Literally every lifeform needs to eat, none need to not eat.
You know fasting is good for you, and doing a hard, good thing for 7 days is good for you, but the union of the two is not a good one. The goals you already achieved are significant and you should be proud of them - I know I am! But this is just pushing yourself unreasonably hard, and I don’t think there’s a good outcome for this scenario. In my view what you need to work on is breaking them in a way that doesn’t make you feel like you undid your progress, rather than going longer and longer stretches of time.
I hope you will take the advice of talking to someone qualified about all of this, I believe the understanding and support you need are more than what internet comments can provide. I see someone that is very brave in many ways and I really think you’ll be able to reach your ultimate goals of mental and physical well-being, but don’t try to do it alone.