That works. I’m not saying you can’t hunt with other methods. I’m just saying that I can’t see much of an argument against the use of leadless firearms for hunting, besides a weak gun control one (hunting weapons aren’t a significant portion of the danger from firearms, mostly handguns or rifles like the AR-15). People can hunt however they want, or not at all, as long as it is controlled to healthy levels and doesn’t cause any other issues, and, ideally doesn’t cause unnecessary suffering to the animal.
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graycloud@leminal.space 1 month agoWhere I grew up, most people use a Have-a-Heart trap or a snare, then a knife or captive bolt gun (no bulltets).
Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Arcka@midwest.social 1 month ago
Isn’t the AR-15 the most popular rifle to hunt with in the US?
Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
To hunt? No. I don’t even think it’s legal to hunt with it. It is the most popular rifle, but it isn’t for hunting. It’s for target shooting (in theory, if it’s for sport), or “self-defense”.
Arcka@midwest.social 1 month ago
A quick search shows it’s prohibited in just 4 states. Many states have conditions that apply to configuration of rifles (and shotguns) such as capacity limits, so those would affect the the same.
graycloud@leminal.space 1 month ago
There isn’t any argument for gun control. Tell the CIA to stop grooming kids on Discord and Telegram to do school shootings, problem solved. Notice this never happens in Iceland. That’s because their version of the CIA isn’t on Discord.
GraniteM@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Scenario A: You’re minding your own business, when a bullet passes through your heart/lungs and you’re dead in seconds.
Scenario B: You get caught in a trap and wait for hours for an ape with a knife or a bolt gun to come along and finish the job.
Honestly, if I were an animal, I’d prefer Scenario A.
graycloud@leminal.space 1 month ago
Have-A-Heart traps are used by animal welfare groups and animal shelters, so I don’t know if it’s so bad to wait in the trap, unless said animal groups are incorrect to use said traps. Admittedly, cats who have never encountered these traps sometimes freak out when first trapped, and cats who have seen them before can outsmart them easily. I’ve never thought they were good for trapping cats, as they are specifically designed NOT to trap cats.
Have-A-Heart traps are intended to trap furbearing animals but allow for the release of cats, dogs or endagered species. You’ve probably seen them before. These staps are box rectangle shaped, chrome colored, and are activated when the animal places their weight on the lever in the back of the trap. These are also called double door traps.
Bolt guns are commonly used in animal slaughter and are often considered ‘humane.’ If you eat red meat, the cow was likely killed with a captive bolt gun.
GraniteM@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’m familiar with all of the technology involved, but I’m not sure about the applications you’re describing.
With a Have-A-Heart, the specific goal is live capture and release. There is no killing involved. The animal might be properly freaked out at the experience of being trapped, but that is specifically so as to permit an animal’s live relocation.
With a bolt gun, it’s meant to be used in a slaughterhouse scenario, which is a whole moral discussion of its own, but at bare minimum one wants the animals to be kept as calm as possible until the bolt gun is applied, because stressed out meat tastes worse than calm and placid up until the moment of death.
With hunting, the goal is to kill the target as cleanly as possible, preferably with a single bullet. That’s the Scenario A I’m describing above.
If one were hunting an animal with the intent of killing it, then a trap, followed by a knife or bolt gun, would maximize the terror felt by the animal to be killed. Sure, one may be putting less lead out in the environment, but at the cost of putting the animal through… almost the most appalling experience of death possible, with the admitted exception of a poorly-aimed bullet or arrow, followed by a wounded flight through the woods and slowly bleeding out.
So… if one’s absolute maximum goal is to reduce environmental lead, yes, that is one way to do it, but the moral implications of that method seem pretty rough.
graycloud@leminal.space 1 month ago
I am extremely confused by your scenario.
We are not “hunting” an animal and stalking it, and then coming at it with a big trap, then leaving it there for hours before it’s killed. The trap is set, and then the trapper leaves. The animal usually doesn’t see the trapper until right before the moment of death.