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pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

I disagree. James Campbell was not a perfect man, but he did coalesce what humans like to see in a story most of the time. It’s not a perfect scenario like he claimed, but more of a guide to most cultures. If you look at boring structures of story, it’s usually because it doesn’t follow western structure (the hero’s journey). Joseph Campbell hated Noh from Japanese culture because he couldn’t follow it as a hero’s journey. Even if he didn’t speak the language, he could usually tell when they followed it. I’m assuming that’s what you’re talking about when cherry picking. He’s right in that to a westerner, it will be hard to understand and may be boring. To the Japanese though, it’s been around a long time.

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supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

He’s right in that to a westerner, it will be hard to understand and may be boring.

Ok, but he is wrong in believing that says anything meaningful about Storytelling, it is just a shitty mirror to our own failings as a culture to point out this repetitive structure and then idolize it as “universal” when it isn’t.

Over the last few decades, this structure has come to dominate much of popular storytelling, and Hollywood cinema in particular. With so many bestselling novels and international blockbusters using the Hero’s Journey to great success, it would seem at first glance that Campbell was right—that most or all great stories can be distilled down to a formula, which is universally applicable across time and place.

However, as we’ll be exploring in today’s blog post, Campbell’s theories aren’t always a perfect fit for the needs of storytellers in the real world. The Hero’s Journey is not as universal as Campbell would claim—and the framework is weighed down by Campbell’s own antisemetic and sexist thinking.

freerange.com/…/joseph-campbell-history-and-antis…

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- pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Did you read what I said? I said the same thing as what you quoted from the blog, lol. The other formats are mostly boring to a westerner’s ear. It’s easy enough to figure out for yourself, watch movies and advertising before Star Wars. Star Wars is when the Hero’s Journey became popular and when advertising would have started to switch over too. Check for yourself if the movies followed it in America and Europe before Star Wars. Hint, the acclaimed ones mostly did.
  
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  - supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Wait, do you think Hollywood only copies ideas that are good ideas and work well?
    
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    pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Wait, do you really think you’re right allllll the time? I’m not sure what chip you have on your shoulder, but you’re obviously butt hurt about something. Again, Campbell is not perfect, but he did give writers a handy guide to jump off from. You seem like you’re trolling or think you’re super duper smart or something? Smart people try to see other people’s side.
    
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