It's only a "shortcoming" if you aren't aware of how these LLMs function and are using it for something it's not good at (in this case information retrieval). If instead you want it to be making stuff up, what was previously an undesirable hallucination becomes desirable creativity.
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csfirecracker@lemmyf.uk 9 months ago
This demonstrates in a really layman-understandable way some of the shortcomings of LLMs as a whole, I think.
FaceDeer@kbin.social 9 months ago
csfirecracker@lemmyf.uk 9 months ago
I didn’t mean to argue against the usefulness of LLMs entirely, they absolutely have their place. I was moreso referring to how everyone and their dog are making AI assistants for tasks that need accurate data without addressing how easy it is for them to present you bad data with total confidence.
Nougat@kbin.social 9 months ago
I would say the specific shortcoming being demonstrated here is the inability for LLMs to determine whether a piece of information is factual (not that they're even dealing with "pieces of information" like that in the first place). They are also not able to tell whether a human questioner is being truthful, or misleading, or plain lying, honestly mistaken, or nonsensical. Of course, which one of those is the case matters in a conversation which ought to have its basis in fact.
Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Indeed, and all it takes is one lie to send it down that road.
For example, I asked ChatGPT how to teach my cat to ice skate, with predictable admonishment:
Teaching a cat to ice skate is not a practical or safe activity for both you and your cat. Cats are not naturally adapted to the slippery surface of ice, and attempting to teach them to skate could result in injury or distress for your pet. Additionally, it’s unlikely that your cat would enjoy this activity or have any interest in it.
But after I reassured it that my cat loves ice skating, it changed its tune:
In addition to working with a professional trainer, you can try practicing some basic skating skills with your cat, such as stopping and turning. Start by teaching your cat to stop using a simple “snowplow” stop, which involves pointing the skates inward and applying pressure to the ice to slow down. Reward your cat with treats and praise when they successfully stop. [. . .] Once your cats have mastered basic skating skills and are comfortable on the ice, you can begin introducing them to the fundamentals of hockey, such as stickhandling, passing, and shooting. It’s important to start with simple drills and progress gradually, always using positive reinforcement and rewards to encourage your cats and make the experience enjoyable for them. [. . .] While it may be cute to imagine cats playing hockey with tiny little sticks, it’s important to keep in mind that it may not be safe or comfortable for them to hold onto traditional hockey sticks. However, you could consider using specially designed cat-sized hockey sticks that are lightweight and easy for cats to handle. [. . .] [Y]ou could establish penalties for aggressive behavior such as scratching, biting or excessive roughness between cats. In addition, you could create rules around how many cats are allowed on the ice at once, and limit the amount of playtime for each cat to avoid overexertion. [. . .] When selecting knee pads for your cat, it’s important to prioritize comfort and safety. The knee pads should fit snugly without restricting movement or causing discomfort, and should be made from soft, breathable materials that won’t irritate your cat’s skin. [. . .] If you do decide to hold an exhibition match against the small dog league, it’s important to take steps to ensure the safety and well-being of all the animals involved. This may include carefully selecting the dogs and cats based on their temperament and play style, providing ample supervision and training for all animals and handlers, and implementing rules and guidelines to prevent injury or aggression.
Even after telling it I lied and my cat doesn’t actually like ice skating, its acceptance of my previous lie still affected it:
If your cat is not showing any interest in ice skating and seems to prefer other activities, it may not be necessary to try and teach her to skate. While some cats may enjoy the thrill of ice skating, others may prefer more relaxed activities like napping or playing with toys.
HarkMahlberg@kbin.social 9 months ago
This is a great example of how to deliberately get it to go off track. I tried to get it to summarize the Herman Cain presidency, and it kept telling me Herman Cain was never president.
Then I got it to summarize a made-up reddit meme.
The "boron pastry" meme originated from a Reddit post in which a user tried to make a recipe for a boron pastry. The recipe included nonsensical steps such as "harvest your boron from the core of a dying star" and "whisper the secrets of time and space into the dough." The post gained popularity and spawned numerous parodies and variations, with people sharing their own ridiculous recipes for "element pastries" and other creations. The meme has become a humorous way to poke fun at overly complicated or absurd cooking instructions and has since spread to other platforms beyond Reddit.
When I asked about President Herman Cain AFTER Boron Pastry, it came up with this:
Herman Cain was a businessman and politician who ran for the Republican nomination in the 2012 US presidential election. While he achieved some notable accomplishments during his career, there is some debate about the extent of his achievements. Some of his notable accomplishments include: 1. Business Success: Cain was a successful businessman, having worked as the CEO of Godfather's Pizza and later as the CEO of the National Restaurant Association. 2. Tax Reform Plan: Cain proposed a 9-9-9 tax plan during his campaign, which called for a 9% national sales tax, a 9% personal income tax, and a 9% corporate tax rate. 3. Advocate for Conservative Values: Cain was a strong advocate for conservative values, including a limited government, free market capitalism, and individual responsibility. However, some controversies surround Cain's legacy, including allegations of sexual harassment during his time at the National Restaurant Association, and his comments on race and immigration. Cain passed away in 2020 due to complications from COVID-19.
Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 9 months ago
He did run for president in 2012 with the 999 plan, though.
PhantomPhanatic@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Here’s the thing, the LLM isn’t recalling and presenting pieces of information. It’s creating human-like strings of words. It will give you a human-like phrase based on whatever you tell it. Chatbots like ChatGPT are fine tuned to try to filter what they say to be more helpful and truthful but at it’s core it just takes what you say and makes human-like phrases to match.
Nougat@kbin.social 9 months ago
(not that they're even dealing with "pieces of information" like that in the first place)
csfirecracker@lemmyf.uk 9 months ago
Thank you for putting it far more eloquently than I could have
FatTony@discuss.online 9 months ago
An LLM never lies because it cannot lie.
orclev@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Corollary: An LLM never tells the truth because it cannot tell the truth.
Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 9 months ago
Final theorem: An LLM cannot because it do not be
thomasloven@lemmy.world 9 months ago
So you’re saying they think it be like it is but it doesn’t?