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tomiant@piefed.social 17 hours ago
Look this is all good and well but can someone explain what “woke” is?
nao@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
kat@lemmy.blehiscool.com 16 hours ago
Originally ‘woke’ meant being aware of social injustice, especially racism. Over time it evolved to become associated with broader progressive politics more broadly, now it’s used to either insult or compliment depending on who is speaking.
tomiant@piefed.social 16 hours ago
Yeah all right, that’s as good a definition as any I suppose. It’s still something about it, though, it’s like this term that means everything and nothing, and lends itself super well to nebulous definition, so no one can really decide what it is whether they are for or against it. It’s messed up.
It’s like, I think just calling things “leftist” is a way dumb oversimplification- much more so than I think that “conservative” is even though that definition is even looser and completely devoid of actual ideology, even by their own admittance.
I don’t know, I just find this whole shitshow tiring, I’m not sure what we’re doing here.
valek879@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
I mean, I feel like woke isn’t a thing to be for or against, it’s literally being aware. There is an implied woke=anti-cruelty, but I feel like you can be woke and support the oppression of others through the power of the system. Just don’t expect other people to recognize your “wokeness” or be pleased that you’re so aware that the things you’re doing are cruel and shitty.
This feels like my step dad being upset that the weather channel is trying to scare us by calling it an atmospheric river! Like dude we’re using a fun new term to describe a weather pattern, it just means rain if you’re caught beneath the river. Not scary unless you’re in a flood zone.
tomiant@piefed.social 15 hours ago
But that is what it has grown into. A sweeping semantic and perfectly malleable construct that can occupy everyone’s minds while the oligarchy just laughs and counts its money.
wjrii@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
With apologies to the baseball fans in the room…
The definition of woke:
You can’t just be up there and just doin’ a woke like that.
1a. Woke is when you
1b. Okay well listen. Woke is when the woke mob
1c. Let me start over
1c-a. The blue haired liberal is not allowed to say to the, uh, patriot, that prohibits the patriot from doing, you know, just trying to oppress the fringe groups. You can’t do that.
1c-b. Once the blue haired liberal is in the kindergarten classroom, she can’t be over here and say to the patriot, like, “I’m gonna get ya! I’m gonna teach your kids about pronouns! You better watch your butt!” and then just be like he didn’t even do that.
1c-b(1). Like, if you’re about to teach about racist history and then don’t teach it, you have to still teach. You cannot not teach. Does that make any sense?
1c-b(2). You gotta be, pooping in the right bathroom, and then, until you just wash your hands.
1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the drag queen, like this, but then there’s the children you gotta think about.
1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. Woke is when the teacher, err drag queen, says or does a thing that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the history and CRT
Do not do a woke please
belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
YOU CANT JUST BALK
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
“Woke” means one thing to one group of people and the exact opposite to another group of people. Makes it hard to have intelligent discussions for sure.
postnataldrip@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Sorta been answered but worth noting there’s more than one definition, and if the person you’re speaking to/arguing with aren’t using the same one then you’ll never agree because you’re debating different points.
One is the “socially aware” definition, and seems to be the one claimed by most on here. It means your eyes/mind are open etc.
Another refers to performative virtue signalling, where someone is desperately looking for something to make themselves appear socially aware / “awake”, regardless of their actual position on the matter, if they even have one. That is where the pejorative usage comes from.
If someone uses “woke” as an insult is likely they’re placing the target in the latter category.
tomiant@piefed.social 14 hours ago
One is an attempt at a lexical definition, the other a judgment of it, those are different things, but you are definitely clearing something up here, because what I feel like I’m getting at is that there is one definition that is actually solid and makes sense- being socially aware, being aware of systemic racial and social injustice in general, and another where “being woke” is performative and is just being obstinate about everything and anything and demanding justice for unspecified grievances that one might not even have legitimate claims to.
I don’t know if that makes sense to you but I think it’s kind of the core of the matter, really.
dis_da_mor@anarchist.nexus 16 hours ago
the original term was often used in african-american communities to describe an awareness of the oppressive syatems of racism, law enforcement, the atate and such. nowadays it is used pejoratively by far-right american talking heads as a fear-mongering word for whatever they disagree with
Hackworth@piefed.ca 17 hours ago
tomiant@piefed.social 16 hours ago
Being aware of racial prejudice, is what I’m getting.
lime@feddit.nu 16 hours ago
it has recently expanded to include all forms of systematic prejudice, but yeah that’s the gist
Magnum@infosec.pub 3 hours ago
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