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• Loco_Mex@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The ICC has an arrest warrant on Putin for these abductions.

  Putin has used a presidential decree to streamline the process of Ukrainian children being made Russian.

  Here’s your Independent Journalistic Report:

  “It happens, for example, that they go with their parents from the occupied territories through Russia to some third countries. Russians can detain parents, arrest, put them in prison, just take their child to their boarding school. Like, go where you wanted, but your child will stay with us. There are cases when Russians enter a house somewhere in the occupied territory, the child tells them that he lives with his mother, who just went to the store or for water, but they take this child, actually kidnap him, and he finds himself in Russia. I am not talking about the so-called evacuation of children’s boarding institutions from the occupied territories to Russia - this is a separate pain, "says Daria Kasyanova.

  But sure, keep telling the world it’s only Ukrainian propaganda.

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  • Riverside@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I cannot read in Ukrainian, but if the article contains independent verification of the tens of thousands figure, I’d love to see that section translated. What you quoted are anecdotal events, not evidence of tens of thousands, which is what I’m questioning. I’m not doubting some war crimes are being carried out, of course thats the case, I’m just saying they’re not nearly widespread enough to constitute genocide, as evidenced by the lack of support by essentially any country to such claims.

    You can leave the conversation if you want, but the figure of “tens of thousands” literally comes from the Ukrainian government. Per the Wikipedia article of the Abductions:

    Ukrainian authorities have verified the identities of over 19,000 abducted children, compiling and actively updating the data as part of an online platform: “Children of War”

    You are free to believe this figure if you want, but you’ll also be called on it when you use it to justify baseless claims of genocide which minimize what’s happening in Palestine.

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    • nat1@ttrpg.network ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So the person who believes Soviet documentation, will turn around and not believe Ukrainian documentation. How convenient this makes your genocide denial.

      You even link to the site showing where you can browse the tens of thousands of missing Ukrainian children, and see the ones who have been returned. You can find testimonials from those returned children, but still you believe Russian war time propaganda over that.

      The utter arrogance and hate to call these unjustified claims when they are backed up by evidence is astounding, but one should expect no less from someone so ideologically driven to manipulate and distort to fit their narrative.

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      • Riverside@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You even mention the site showing where you can browse

        Yes, I can browse unconfirmed pictures, not very useful

        You can go find testimonials from those returned children

        Returned? How? Wasn’t Russia kidnapping them? Why would they return children kidnapped with genocidal intent?

        Again, I’m not doubting the existence of war crimes and of some children being kidnapped, I’m doubting the propagandistic numbers about it until I have independent journalistic confirmation of the scope of it. Doubting Nayirah’s Testimony was the correct choice 30 years ago.

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• CybranM@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “The source for the crime is, unsurprisingly, the victim, the criminal is denying any wrongdoing” hmmm

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  • Riverside@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Do you really think States under war have no reason to do atrocity propaganda? And you’re mischaracterizing what I said, I denied similar accusations made by Russia

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    • CybranM@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Who is invading who exactly?

      “Burglar files counter-claim arguing that the owner of the house they’re stealing from is actually stealing from the burglar”

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      • Riverside@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Ukraine from 2014 to 2022 was shelling eastern Ukraine (majority Russian ethnic territories) without any Russian invasion because two regions declared independence. This is the part where Russia is claiming ethnic cleansing and it uses as casus belli. I don’t believe the genocide accusations because not everything bad is a genocide. We can condemn the invasion without making up genocides.

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