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• LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Only difference is that your side is “right”

  lmao, it seems you’re the perfect centrist. By this standard, “the Holocaust happened” and “white genocide in South Africa happened” are both equally valid statements. Do you see how ridiculous it is to just group statements by superficial similarity and treat them as equivalent regardless of the substance of the claims or the evidence?

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  • reabsorbthelight@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I never said those were equal statements

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    • LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I said “equivalent” and “equally valid”, if you’re going to make an argument based on the exact word used you should at least get it right.

      Only difference is that your side is “right”

      I literally quoted this sentence where you stated that they were equivalent in my previous reply.

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• DiscoAssBlazer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Billionaires controlling the media for manufacturing consent is not a new idea, and even then, leftists/QAnon people have very different views on it anyway. Leftists don’t believe there is some secret cabal, the ruling class is very blatant. Right wingers believe in some deep state or the rothschilds, who are a jewish family, “control the narrative”, they don’t care about class struggle. This comparison makes very little sense.

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  QAnon centers on fabricated claims made by an anonymous individual or individuals known as “Q”. Those claims have been relayed and developed by online communities and influencers. Their core belief is that a cabal of Satanic,[3][4][5] cannibalistic child molesters in league with the deep state is operating a global child sex trafficking ring and that Donald Trump is secretly leading the fight against them.[9] QAnon has direct roots in Pizzagate, another conspiracy theory that appeared on the Internet one year earlier, but also incorporates elements of many different conspiracy theories and unifies them into a larger interconnected theory

  I’m not seeing the relations to “left extremes” here at all.

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  • reabsorbthelight@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I don’t believe the horseshoe theory. Far left and far right have a number of stark differences such as religion, economic policy, etc. I just believe that both sides are fringe cult-like environments, particularly when it comes to isolating yourselves and ideology control. Occasionally, I see other similarities.

    Imo, far left isn’t clearly closer to the far right in most beliefs, except cult-like behavior

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Can you explain “cult-like behavior?”

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    • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      “cult like behaviour”

      This doesn’t make sense beyond the most cursory vibes based consideration.

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• Uruanna@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You are reducing both sides to an extreme and extracting a single quote from both of them - “corporate media is lying to you to protect politicians preying on children” . You understand that one side is right and the other isn’t - where do you think the difference appears? Certainly not at the extreme surface level of a single quote you are picking.

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  • reabsorbthelight@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The statement is that far left makes similarly culty statements like “X entity is hiding evidence that supports our views from the general public”. It’s the “everyone except us lies” part of the culty belief. My statement is that both far left and far right have fringe beliefs that are culty or close to it.

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    • Uruanna@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Again, only because you are picking a very reductive surface level quote.

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      • reabsorbthelight@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Sure. But I’m not going to write an essay to back my position right now with numerous examples.

        I respect many of the far lefts beliefs like economic policy, pressure against the right wing, social policies supporting poor. I don’t respect the extreme distrust of media, violent retoric (when I see it), ideological purism, because it comes off as culty

        Should note that I see less violent retoric from the far left than the far right, hence “when I see it”

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