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Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem

TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

Does no one here understand the younger generations access to ideas?

Feels an awful lot like “won’t somebody think of the children?”

All that means is you’ve closed your eyes to the world around you. It doesn’t mean that the world has changed. Avoidance doesn’t help. It actually makes things worse because you cede the moral and intellectual territory.

Alternatively, you can actually take the fight to people instead of hiding from problems. And as far as what the younger generation sees, if you aren’t providing arguments against fascism, against zionism, who is going to win that mind?

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thirdworldistWMD@lemmy.zip ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
No one is hiding from problems, but flowers do not grow in a battlefield. They’re trampled. You need to have safe retreat, a place to teach, cultivate and grow. Inclusion means ensuring safe harbor through the exclusion of bad actors. I’m here now in the trench, but I do not have to live in the trench. Don’t you get that? I have a place to return to, a place to regroup, discuss, laugh, be marry in dark times. What you’re advocating for is a horizonless battlefield, with no end in sight. An endless sea of torment and combat with no safe harbor. And for what? “The market place of ideas’”? What a joke. What a dated and dead concept.

The notion of a “free market of ideas” is as mythical as the notion of a free market of goods. Both conjure up an image of a bazaar in which many small producers sell their wares on a more or less equal footing. In fact—be it commodities or commentary—to reach a mass market you need substantial sums of money to buy exposure and distribution. Those without corporate media connections end up with a decidedly smaller clientele, assuming they are able to survive at all.

This idea applies to these modes of communication as well. The ideological expression of an instance is at it’s core the ideological view of it’s administration in the abstract. There is no equal footing. Zionist instances will ban you on Zionist grounds. Creating an “inclusive” space for Zionists and their cohort. You can not “win” a debate in their realm as they always have the administration on their side.

The same is true for db0. This motion is simply the negation of the contradiction between wanting to maintain an inclusive and welcoming space for Palestinians, anti-zionists of all stripes, Muslim and Arab peoples; and the open federation model of activitypub.

The people who want to get into the trenches will. For those who don’t, db0 is finally a safe harbor for those listed above. Free from having their identities, their lives, their humanity debated for the sake of the free market of ideas.

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- TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Man you really beat the fuck out of that strawman.
  
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  - thirdworldistWMD@lemmy.zip ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Where’s your free market place of ideas now? Out of stock? Bankrupt? Need to be bailed out? Pathetic.
    
    This user is suspected to have relations to Russo-Chinese state media and Marxist sympathies, please report any suspicious behavior to https://cia.gov/
    
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    TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Bruh is so desperate for me to say something I didn’t. Bruh go find one of your op friends to fight with.
    
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  - BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Go back to Reddit
    
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humble_boatsman@sh.itjust.works ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Its not won’t somebody think of the children… Its get this shit out of their face. Block it. Thats the beauty of the fediverse.

The initial point was that younger generations feed off engagements. You block the conversation and it doesn’t exist. Its not a matter of closing your eyes to the world. Its closing the gates to the exact statement I made. Does no one understand how the younger generation get the information? Engagement. Was the answer. Failure to allow a platform will stop the spread of the misinformation in the first place.

‘Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference’.

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- TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  I get what your saying on an institutional level
  
  Yeah. Is what it is. I don’t think feddit is some kind of zionist propaganda machine, although its clear that it hosts plenty of zionists. I’d rather berate, abuse, mock, and contest them in the comments. I have enough respect for the youth to trust their judgement.
  
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  - BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The mods would ban you if you did that
    
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    TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Then get banned dude. But don’t let them persist in a vacuum.
    
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