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• Retail4068@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  As usual with all things, it’s a spectrum when, where, and what I’ll use. And I think it’s plenty appropriate to direct it to hurt these fascist nazis.

  But to be clear, no I will not pass your test to never use any slur in any context. I don’t think most people would, even on the progressive side of the spectrum. Nor do I think the bar will remain the same for certain people and they are just annoying people into fascism over every single fucking micro aggression.

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  • maniclucky@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So. Coming down from my high horse and taking a breath. A good faith question for you? I can understand the first paragraph and disagree with the second, but I would like to let that go for just a second.

    Why are you attached to this word? They defend pedophiles, the steal from the poor, they commit atrocities, and they do really bizarre shit like wearing diapers because their leader is incontinent. I get the ‘hit them with what hurts’ angle and can’t say whether or not it’s effective. Is casually hurting others, because two different people in these comments have positively asserted that they were offended, worth not choosing a different word?

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    • Retail4068@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Because I believe it does hurt them and shame them more forcefully and is more effective conveying the degree of stupidity. I also think, tangentially (like wild), that Internet culture change vastly outpaces built-in generationally learned norms and that young people interact with older more than ever. And the amount of change desired, among a billion other more important factors but a factor none the less, is essentially ‘annoying people into fascism’. Especially in non formal settings, outside the workspace, legal language,Again, small factor in a while lot of things. 

      Some people are going to be full on charge. Some will think you are silly and over reacting. Sometimes, is an education thing and they are genuinely happy to learn. But if not, you insisting is essentially using political or social capital in various different ways.

      It’s not really my hill to die on. I just think they are a lost cause and I want to hurt and shame them at this point and think most people (maybe not on fediverse) enjoy hearing them described as such.

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      • maniclucky@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I appreciate the answer. I even agree to a large extent with your last point. I still think it an easy thing to not do and will call it out when I see it. I think the people that are letting annoyance with the general rule ‘don’t be a dick even if you can get away with it’ lead them to fascism were probably most of the way there anyway, but that’s whatever.

        I’m not going to entreat further change from you, I’ve got too many paragraphs into this thread as is. I hope to see the immoral sacks of shit get everything they have coming too.

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    • jmankman@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Language is about intent.

      I think “Jap” is one of the dumbest slurs there is, since it’s just cutting off two letters from the country, and I’m not offended when I hear it, I just laugh.

      There is an entire South Park episode on people changing the way they use “fag” from slander against gays, to slander against Harley motorcycle riders. You are one of the gays in this episode who doesn’t understand the intent behind why/how the way the word is used changes

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      • maniclucky@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        There was no ambiguous intent to how they used the slur. It was the classic “they’re bad because they’re like X” usage. It’s a word with a long history of harming a marginalized group. It was resurrected by awful people for its original awful purpose.

        So, less good faith this time: why do you defend it? What worth does it have that cannot be claimed elsewhere?

        Asked by someone part of a group that was painted with the r-slur for a long ass time (autism).

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