How do you think we got trump in the first place? Democrats kept moving to the right and making things worse until a candidate like trump could seize the moment. So yeah, you will die on that hill because it was a hill built by voting the “lesser of two evils” while both parties moved to be more evil, until we’ve got the current level of evil we have now.
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U7826391786239@lemmy.zip 20 hours agono. this shit is the reason we’re in this situation, innocent citizens getting rounded up, deported, murdered. because so many people wanted to moralize, “vote their conscience,” “wE dIdNt GeT a PrImArY”…whatthefuckever, while the rest of us were shouting that everyone’s top priority needs to be keeping trump out of the white house.
so again: if it ends up that newsom, or harris, or a fucking lobotomized muskrat ends up being the candidate–VOTE FOR THE FUCKING MUSKRAT instead of trump, or 3rd party, or, ffs sitting out
i will die on this hill. you might too
hark@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Serinus@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
I mean, I generally agree with you, but like most things this isn’t black and white. It’s a nuanced thing that needs to be handled with care. I get it; Large movements are terrible at nuance.
While we’re two years out from the start of the campaign, we can certainly encourage the Dems to find an actual progressive.
Hillary was better than Newsom. It’s funny that California Dems are blasted as the most liberal, when they might be the most conservative Dems outside of West Virginia.
Yes, anything is better than fascism. That point was more important 18 months ago, and might be more important again 12 months from now.
U7826391786239@lemmy.zip 15 hours ago
this isn’t black and white
please.
remove fascism vs keep fascism seems pretty “black and white” to me. what the chicken fried fuck are you talking about “nuance” at this point? vote against trump, or do anything else; that’s the choices. ideal? no. reality? yes. you think we should bicker and argue about the “best” person to oppose trump while the fascists are 100% behind whoever the fuck chimpanzee is on the ballot that they’re going to vote for regardless, because they have ® by their name. THAT is how democrats lose
i’m not “blaming dems”, nor did i imply such at any point anywhere, so you can go ahead and eliminate that bullshit from your argument.
good luck with your “find an actual progressive” aka 3rd party with about zero chance of actually winning any election for any office anywhere. i will try to come to terms with the fact that we’re in fascism from now on, because not-fascists just can’t seem to grasp “vote against fascism no matter what”
thanks for your insight. i hope you don’t have kids
hark@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
remove fascism vs keep fascism seems pretty “black and white” to me.
Democrats don’t even want to defund ICE. How are they removing fascism?
U7826391786239@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
it never ceases to amaze…
we have a racist child rapist murderous fascist corrupt-to-the-core fucking con man in the white house
but hey! let’s talk about all the democrats’ problems!
any ballot cast that isn’t D all the way down is the objectively wrong choice
Serinus@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
“find an actual progressive” aka 3rd party
lol no. You don’t get to strawman and then be a rude piece of shit about it.
U7826391786239@lemmy.zip 14 hours ago
people are getting murdered by ice.
and a rando on lemmy is what’s making you mad
nuance
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 10 hours ago
Standards are low.