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• madejackson@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Finally a fellow georgist. How does one work to promote LVT? You mean you got paid to do it and despite that, you are now against georgism?

  IMHO, your reasoning is weird and blown out of proportion. Measuring value of land and housing is easy and is done today for the market, for insurance and for taxing purposes. This could be a reason for georgism to become unpopular, but it isn’t a reason against georgism.

  in our case added 0 value to our property and in fact removed value The common reasoning for negative value land. This is only brought up because it is an issue in todays world. It wouldn’t even be an issue with an LVT. If a strip of land is only costing money give it back to society so they need to take care for it, you’re not a charity. Otherwise it has a measurable value which you are denying to win an argument.

  It introduces just as many problems as it those it claims to solve. No it doesn’t. I see one “Problem”, but you haven’t mentioned this one yet.

  It makes sense in some limited contexts, like say, urban land use across small and regular parcels, but not all land is urban land. You forget that George was writing when society 70% agricultural and rural and working off a model of undeveloped land. This is not valid. George focused on New York. It did include everything from agriculture to fully developed Manhattan. It’s called Land Value Tax, not Land Tax.

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  • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

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    • madejackson@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Very interesting. Do you have any sources to share so I can read into that?

      Also, I believe there are 2x publicly known sources for LVT being applied on a wide scale: Alaska and Singapore. Both are very successful and comfortably perform far above average compared to other US states / other countries. This somehow contradicts your statements. So maybe your experience is not representative for LVT’s performance, but rather your execution of it.

      Just to be clear, LVT is just one form of Resource tax. Actually all Resources including pollution and oil extraction etc. fall under my understanding of Georgism.

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      • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        No. It was 20 years ago but people I worked with included Karl Case. The guy who founded the housing index. You can go find your own search for the 100s of papers on the topic. In my 5 years working there I probably saw 30+ papers published relating to it. All the work was in the continental USA.

        And I have no doubt it works in Singapore, because it’s a city-state. Just like I said in another comment it works great in the context of small regularized parcels of land. Singapore also has super restrictive laws about land ownership. But you can’t generalize that to the whole of the USA, let alone most USA cities/states due to the massive geological differences.

        And yes, in theory if you just abolished all existing laws and land rights and property values and just divided up the entire USA into 1 acre square parcels, it would make sense to use a LVT. But again that’s an ideal theory that in no way will ever become reflecting of reality. Land ownership and use and regulations are highly irregular in America and often subject to 4-5+ levels of government regulation.

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