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PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago“I’m not sure parts of this are credible” is a pretty reasonable stance. I share it.
“Here’s what I think instead…” (followed by, frankly, a lot of dumb shit) is much less so.
And some of your “my idea instead” sounds so dumb, that it sounds intended to distract. Sus.
tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
It’s just a hypothesis. I’m open to counterarguments. Calling someone dumb doesn’t count as one.
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 hours ago
Okay, here’s the counterargument. Your “hypothesis” does a less good job of explaining our observations than the much simpler explanation (that things instead are exactly as they seem…) and it also conveniently points blame away from the exact people who are doing everything they fucking can to dodge ANY amount of blame for any of this.
So your “hypothesis” helps the worst fucking people alive, and hinders our ability to understand by introducing utter nonsense and saying “maybe it’s this instead”.
That’s more rebuttal than it deserves, and I already basically said those things above. Do you want me to keep going? I can make it even more clear how foolish and harmful it is to be out here “just asking questions, man”. We’ve seen this shit you’re doing before.
tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 21 hours ago
I think we can assume that among the millions of available documents, some are entirely true, others are completely fabricated, and most fall somewhere in between these two extremes. It would be naive to consider everything as true. We would need to sort through them, but the DOJ has given us no information allowing us to do so. It looks too much like a disinformation tactic not to be suspicious (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood). On the other hand, they took several months before making everything available. One can assume that during that time, they didn’t just sit there with their arms crossed looking at the pile of documents: they likely spent a lot of time modifying documents to limit damage on their end and, in the process, cast doubt on their enemies.
It would indeed be highly implausible for 100% of the documents to be fabricated or AI-generated (and besides, I claimed no such thing), but it is difficult to rule out that some of the available documents are completely fake.
Highlighting this fact is absolutely not ‘helping criminals.’ You say that my hypothesis helps the worst people alive, but can you give me a list of their names? No. These documents serve only to enrage people in a vacuum without pointing a finger on anyone guilty. Very useful for the regime.
Also, it is certainly simpler to believe that ‘all these documents are true’ as you do, but that is not an explanation—and that is not how Occam’s Razor works.
Please note that I am not attacking you or your intentions. I think we’re on the same side.
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 hours ago
It sounds like we do essentially agree, I have nothing to disagree about in this last comment and feel basically the same way.
The initial phrasing sounded, to me, like carrying water for their own disinformation efforts. It sounded like “nah it’s probably this other thing and besides, none of it can be real, they’d never let us access it if it were”. I realize you didn’t concretely state those things.
And I acknowledge I’m sensitive about the topic, too, but knowing the severity of the crimes (even without including the most lurid reports) and the way this administration behaves, I think that’s the right stance and wouldn’t really conduct myself differently here.
But I’m glad to know what you think and that it isn’t what it sounded like to me.