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knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days agoThat’s so far because either a elite group gets in power and turns it into feudalism again, or the us intervenes because communism shall not work.
We didn’t throw away democracy just because the french revolution failed at first.
merc@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
If it always collapses into feudalism / authoritarianism, it’s not a workable system.
The French and the Americans had historical working versions of democracy to consider, like the Athenian system. Communism just fails over and over again every time it’s tried.
NannerBanner@literature.cafe 2 days ago
The famous athenian system where slaves were tortured for testimony because their testimony wasn’t admitted without torture because they would ‘otherwise lie?’
The famous athenian system where the military quite literally marched 10 miles in one direction, then 10 miles in the other direction the next day because control of the army was transferred from day to day between different generals?
The famous athenian system where a philosopher was sentenced to death because he was teaching the youth to think differently?*
Sounds like democracy fails over and over again every time it’s tried. For every example you could make of communism always failing, somehow, you can make the same of examples with democracy or capitalism. Make better arguments, for the love of water.
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Well, slightly more complicated than ‘thinking differently.’
merc@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Well, the Americans did incorporate the slavery part of the Athenian system. But, they weren’t complete idiots and they picked and chose parts of it that they thought would make sense in the modern world. Really, the American system was closer to 90% British, with a bit of Athenian democracy mixed in. But, they had a previous system to go by where people were allowed to vote and senators were not born into their position, but elected.