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ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• bridgeburner@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Yeah because Communism worked so well for Russia, China, North Korea, etc. Communism is NEVER the answer, since it will ALWAYS get abused.

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  • Urist@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If I burn your house down, is that evidence your house “didn’t work” and should never have been built in the first place?

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  • mattyroses@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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    Apparently worked better than the alternative . . .

    Saying communism isn’t the answer since it will get abused, when your alternative is capitalism, is like saying dating someone in recovery is a bad idea, and that’s why you only look for abusive people who are currently drunk.

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    • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨19⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      So much apples in 1997?

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• Triasha@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This is u ironically why the rich should support a wealth tax.

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• merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Ok, but how about something instead of communism, because that never works.

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  • fodor@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Who told you that it never works? … Checks notes … the capitalists did.

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    • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      No, it’s my own eyes. You don’t need the capitalists to interpret it for you when you can just look for yourself and see that communism never works.

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      • rapchee@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        keep in mind, that communism, based on marx’s vision, was supposed to bring democracy to the workplace, on top of democracy in politics, the “worker’s dictatorship” was supposed to be a temporary thing, before the system reaches actual communism

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      • mattyroses@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        What communist country did you live in again?

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  • ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Capitalism doesn’t work. And sadly capitalism never allowed communism to work. Because the greed of the few outweighed the needs of he many.

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    • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Capitalism works a lot better than communism. At least countries that are vaguely capitalist still exist and can realistically be described as capitalist today. Countries that claim to be communist are authoritarian, or authoritarian plus capitalist.

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      • mattyroses@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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      • hector@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        All capitalist countries have elements of socialism, a mix is probably the best scenario, and indeed to have private benefit corporations and co ops to fulfill needs the private sector is unwilling and unable to provide the needs for equitably.

        The idealogues of the right talk a lot of shit, but capitalism doesn’t work without controls, the free market destroys itself, and leads to consolidation, to one company, becoming sort of communist as the opposite ends come back together in a circle between free market and controlled economy. Somalia should be a free market paradise according to the dogma of the billionaires funding libertarianism and the republican party’s think tanks.

        Capital is too greedy to do what’s in it’s own interests and will destroy itself like yeast in a wort producing alcohol that will kill that yeast above a certain percentage.

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  • knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That’s so far because either a elite group gets in power and turns it into feudalism again, or the us intervenes because communism shall not work.

    We didn’t throw away democracy just because the french revolution failed at first.

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    • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That’s so far because either a elite group gets in power and turns it into feudalism again

      If it always collapses into feudalism / authoritarianism, it’s not a workable system.

      We didn’t throw away democracy just because the french revolution failed at first.

      The French and the Americans had historical working versions of democracy to consider, like the Athenian system. Communism just fails over and over again every time it’s tried.

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  • underisk@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    A permanent utopia free from geopolitical influence has yet to be established under any system of government, therefore no government has ever worked.

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    • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Why is “permanent utopia” the criterion? I don’t know of any political system that claims there will be a “permanent utopia”, except maybe dreams of what communism might one day be like.

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      • underisk@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Well, permanent because if it gets destroyed it you can’t call it successful, and utopia because you need an ideal to measure success against even if its not realistically achievable.

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  • 3abas@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Looking at Vietnam… Seems to work great when the imperialists fall to crush you.

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    • hector@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Vietnam joined the WTO and exploits it’s workers for Wall Street corporations outsourcing from even china to save an extra buck. How is that communist, whoring for wall street?

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    • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      In what ways is Vietnam a communist country?

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