Maybe the right means that. Here in the real world, we mean wall street, shipping all of our factory jobs to other low cost countries to exploit their workforce and undercut wage and environmental laws. But don’t let me get in the way of you stroking off the democrats that betrayed us and embraced globalism and allowed the president to do an end run around them on trade.
You manage to be on the exact same page, yet completely miss the point.
This person is so close.
I hate to say it, but you are “this person”. Nobody is glorifying democrats here. There are rich fucks, and there are poor people suffering the consequences. Period.
Tis you missing the point. The person I responded to just condemned everyone opposing globalists, and globalism, as anti jewish, because the far right co-opted anti globalism and identified jews as the culprits, rather than Wall Street, and big money.
Globalism, globalists, is not synonomous with “jews” at all, and that type of reactionary response, to defend or reject completely something unfairly attacked or supported by the right, is what loses credibility, and furthers captured interests remaining captured.
When the republicans want to make the fda worse, and attack them for whatever, we (you,) will defend everything about the fda, even though in reality we know they have for decades been run by pharma board members and executives and lobbyists that have ratfucked them for 40 years. Defend against unfair attacks, don’t defend their fact free campaigns to schedule a plant with demonstrably false arguments, and the like.
Likewise the far right conflating the abuses of wall street in globalism with jews shouldn’t lead you to support wall street’s globalism. Oppose the incorrect conflation of globalism with one group of people when it’s many groups of big monied interests.
It’s about too dumb to have to argue, which makes sense since you didn’t actually make a reasoned argument but a rather nonsensical refutation of an ill defined point.
Literally never heard a single person use that term who wasn’t an Alex jones psycho and they definitely mean Jews when they say it. Even reading your messages here expanding on this, it feels like a fever dream describing positions no one actually holds. I’ve heard a lot of different viewpoints and this is a first for me.
Bottom line, you need a new term. You don’t get to speak the language of racist conspiracy wack jobs and then blame everyone else for noticing.
Again, I don’t think we disagree. It is a complex topic, and one worth talking about, especially within circles that should generally unite against common enemies.
There are people who use globalist as a dogwhistle to mean global Jewish conspiracy bullshit, dating back to the original Nazis.
There are people, like attac, Occupy Wallstreet and so on, that used and use globalism in its economical meaning in order to criticise the current system of exploitation and speculation.
There are people that intentionally try to paint the second kind of people as antisemites, especially if they dare to call out Israel, in order to discredit them.
There are people that intentionally try to infiltrate arguments in order to make people support antisemitism and to make it seem that antisemitism is a valid opinion.
I don’t really know why you dragged the Democrats in here. I’m not even from the US, from my point of view, large parts of the Democrats are a turbo-capitalist right-wing party that happen to have a handful of progressive social values. Obviously, the Republicans are fascists in everything but their lack of trains and Mediterranean food.
By keeping establishment democrats in charge you guarentee the republicans will win. How do you not get that?
But no, keep blaming the voters for rejecting the candidates with the platforms they’ve made clear for decades they will reject and only grudgingly choose every other time only as a rejection of the other party. Feel free to get worse every cycle and coast off of browbeating everyone into voting for the less bad option, even though we know that won’t reliably win, and republicans are planning on fixing elections, meaning they only have (had, thanks pal,) to win once.
What is the word for when you keep doing the same thing expecting different results? That seems to describe you here. As you pass the blame for doomed to fail strategies to justify keeping those same people in power to fail again, in perhaps the last chance before elections are fixed beyond recall, and make no mistake, they already are fixed beyond whatever milquetoast democrat playing to a mythical center voter that wants to get fucked by corporations but with crumbs allocated to them and kinder words.
I already tagged you as a third party supporter weeks ago. No need to further prove you are a useful idiot for Republicans and therefore opposite to everything you transparently lie about believing.
hector@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Maybe the right means that. Here in the real world, we mean wall street, shipping all of our factory jobs to other low cost countries to exploit their workforce and undercut wage and environmental laws. But don’t let me get in the way of you stroking off the democrats that betrayed us and embraced globalism and allowed the president to do an end run around them on trade.
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
You manage to be on the exact same page, yet completely miss the point.
I hate to say it, but you are “this person”. Nobody is glorifying democrats here. There are rich fucks, and there are poor people suffering the consequences. Period.
hector@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Tis you missing the point. The person I responded to just condemned everyone opposing globalists, and globalism, as anti jewish, because the far right co-opted anti globalism and identified jews as the culprits, rather than Wall Street, and big money.
Globalism, globalists, is not synonomous with “jews” at all, and that type of reactionary response, to defend or reject completely something unfairly attacked or supported by the right, is what loses credibility, and furthers captured interests remaining captured.
When the republicans want to make the fda worse, and attack them for whatever, we (you,) will defend everything about the fda, even though in reality we know they have for decades been run by pharma board members and executives and lobbyists that have ratfucked them for 40 years. Defend against unfair attacks, don’t defend their fact free campaigns to schedule a plant with demonstrably false arguments, and the like.
Likewise the far right conflating the abuses of wall street in globalism with jews shouldn’t lead you to support wall street’s globalism. Oppose the incorrect conflation of globalism with one group of people when it’s many groups of big monied interests.
It’s about too dumb to have to argue, which makes sense since you didn’t actually make a reasoned argument but a rather nonsensical refutation of an ill defined point.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Literally never heard a single person use that term who wasn’t an Alex jones psycho and they definitely mean Jews when they say it. Even reading your messages here expanding on this, it feels like a fever dream describing positions no one actually holds. I’ve heard a lot of different viewpoints and this is a first for me.
Bottom line, you need a new term. You don’t get to speak the language of racist conspiracy wack jobs and then blame everyone else for noticing.
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Again, I don’t think we disagree. It is a complex topic, and one worth talking about, especially within circles that should generally unite against common enemies.
There are people who use globalist as a dogwhistle to mean global Jewish conspiracy bullshit, dating back to the original Nazis.
There are people, like attac, Occupy Wallstreet and so on, that used and use globalism in its economical meaning in order to criticise the current system of exploitation and speculation.
There are people that intentionally try to paint the second kind of people as antisemites, especially if they dare to call out Israel, in order to discredit them.
There are people that intentionally try to infiltrate arguments in order to make people support antisemitism and to make it seem that antisemitism is a valid opinion.
I don’t really know why you dragged the Democrats in here. I’m not even from the US, from my point of view, large parts of the Democrats are a turbo-capitalist right-wing party that happen to have a handful of progressive social values. Obviously, the Republicans are fascists in everything but their lack of trains and Mediterranean food.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Shocking that your real point revolves around getting Republicans elected
hector@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
By keeping establishment democrats in charge you guarentee the republicans will win. How do you not get that?
But no, keep blaming the voters for rejecting the candidates with the platforms they’ve made clear for decades they will reject and only grudgingly choose every other time only as a rejection of the other party. Feel free to get worse every cycle and coast off of browbeating everyone into voting for the less bad option, even though we know that won’t reliably win, and republicans are planning on fixing elections, meaning they only have (had, thanks pal,) to win once.
What is the word for when you keep doing the same thing expecting different results? That seems to describe you here. As you pass the blame for doomed to fail strategies to justify keeping those same people in power to fail again, in perhaps the last chance before elections are fixed beyond recall, and make no mistake, they already are fixed beyond whatever milquetoast democrat playing to a mythical center voter that wants to get fucked by corporations but with crumbs allocated to them and kinder words.
Maybe you can run with Liz Cheney as VP!
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I already tagged you as a third party supporter weeks ago. No need to further prove you are a useful idiot for Republicans and therefore opposite to everything you transparently lie about believing.