Comment on How to Actually Clean Install Windows 11

• kogasa@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Idle RAM usage means literally nothing.

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  • havokdj@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Unless you don’t have a lot of ram and don’t want to spill over into swap?

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    • kogasa@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Unless you don’t have a lot of ram and don’t want to spill over into swap?

      That has nothing to do with idle RAM. If you are swapping while idle, you have HORRIBLY fucked up. RAM usage is (and should be) determined by memory pressure. When idling, there should be none.

      Aside from that, why would you say that? So if it idled at 8 GB of ram (which it is on its way to eventually doing) would you still say that?

      Yes. Idle RAM usage means nothing. You need to measure how much it contributes to memory pressure.

      Do you have any idea how ridiculous of a concept it is that a clean operating system alone idles alone on 4gb of ram?

      No.

      What in the hell are the services doing that would make it idle that high?

      Preloading and caching in otherwise wasted space.

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      • havokdj@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Memory pressure? You mean niceness?

        Niceness just gives a program a higher CPU (and thus, RAM) priority.

        Your system is still going to swap. The idling ram doesn’t magically go away. That’s how it works. If it didn’t, you start experiencing bugs, crashes, and data loss, because there is no more room in the pool.

        Just because a computer is “idle” doesn’t mean it isn’t doing anything, it is still performing work to stay on, composite your window manager, display it, run services in the background. Those services are still programs that are often vital to the operating system actually functioning, you can’t just make that utilization magically disappear because you need more RAM because they tend to have lower niceness values than programs in userspace, even Windows understands that.

        Yes, if you are swapping at idle then you indeed did do something horribly wrong, it is a bit comical that you don’t realize that proves my point. The explorer.exe devs indeed did something horribly wrong, they released shitty half baked code because managers think more code = harder/better work when it is actually the reverse.

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• vsh@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I had Debian Ubuntu and Void use little over 1 GB in the past

  For windows it’s insanely low RAM usage. For me 3-3.5 GB RAM used on idle was the windows standard

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  • nostradiel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Exactly. Every time before I found out about LTSB and these scripts my idle usage wasn’t lower than 3-3.6gb. I went through all those running processes and said myself that there has to be better way. (And boy how I was pissed off when I found out about the telemetry…) It led me to Linux, but sometimes I need to use Windows so I have dual-boot with LTSB.

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  • havokdj@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ve never seen windows idle that much from a clean install.

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• vsh@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Also don’t forget that to reach 40 MB RAM you have to strip your system out of literally everything. Sometimes it makes a miserable user experience.

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  • havokdj@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not really. I can see why you’d think that but you just compile a kernel that supports what you need. A kernel customized for your hardware can be less than half the size of the default kernel, it’s just that it may function ONLY on that hardware.

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    • vsh@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Alright, but how many kernel wizards are out there?

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      • havokdj@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You’re missing the point here. That is to save at best 60 mb. Arch with KDE still maxes out at like 500 mb of usage.

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