Comment on Landmark trial accusing tech giants of harming children with addictive social media begins

• Alloi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  kind of missing the forest for the trees here. the issue is in order to make that change and hold these platforms accountable, through changes to section 230, you would then open the door to all platforms being held accountable, and create a new loop hole for more government control of all platforms. this would cause intense censorship and algorithmic control of content, and the means in which it is shared, spread, or created.

  the internet is inherently addictive, always has been, always will be. its the greatest technology mankind has ever developed, it connects us all to each other, and the collective library of human knowledge. there is no world where a human brain, adult, or child, does not engage with that level of connectivity without some level of addiction.

  ive been watching this for a while now, and the support, timing, and language around it is being engaged by both sides of the political spectrum. which in this particular time period, is extremelly worrisome.

  attacking “addictive features” (which i am not saying their isnt room for improvement) is a foot in the door for further amendments. most people just “think of the chillren” when they see this, and its understandable, we love our kids, so we should as parents limit screen time, or not make it an option at all, kids cant buy their own phines, computers, or pay for wifi, and it takes a few minutes to put parental controls on all your kids devices. besides that, most people are not educated in the subject of internet policy over the last 30 years, or why section 230 is so important. it is quite literally the reason you and i can have this exchange without the government filtering what can and cannot be exchanged.

  the fact of the matter is right in the paragraph you quoted

  This argument, if successful, could sidestep the companies’ First Amendment shield and Section 230

  its not just about the companies, its about section 230, and as a biproduct digital ID requirements by large platforms. which is something needed for a larger agenda that goes beyond the united states government, by the ruling elites of the world. but thats a rabbit hole ill allow you to fall in yourself. the united states just so happens to be the center of digital infrastructure and platforms shared by every country in the planet.

  discord, as an example, will soon require users to upload a copy of their ID or a facial scan to use their platform.

  “to protect the children”

  then every major platform will. for “liability reasons” and to “protect the children”

  then the internet as a whole will require it.

  “to protect the children”

  then you wont be able to do a god damn thing without big brother logging and arresting people left and right for whatever digital crimes the powers that be decide are crimes that week. basically, thought crime.

  heres a good write up about section 230. the above mentioned article already discusses some of the pushes for digital ID already. in various forms. some more invasive than others.

  internetsociety.org/…/30-years-of-section-230-why…

  heres a decent video about the history of the internet, section 230, and implications of this lawsuit and the other actions around section 230. its a bit long, but worth it. if you want a laymans understanding.

  youtu.be/_eqt8vrtP-U

  and below, here is a summary of section 230 from wikipedia.

  Summary In the United States, Section 230 is a section of the Communications Act of 1934 that was enacted as part of the Communications Decency Act of 1996, which is Title V of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, and generally provides immunity for online computer services with respect to third-party content generated by their users. At its core, Section 230©(1) provides immunity from liability for providers and users of an “interactive computer service” who publish information provided by third-party users:

  No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

  Section 230©(2) further provides “Good Samaritan” protection from civil liability for operators of interactive computer services in the voluntary good faith removal or moderation of third-party material the operator “considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected.”

  Section 230 was developed in response to a pair of lawsuits against online discussion platforms in the early 1990s that resulted in different interpretations of whether the service providers should be treated as publishers, Stratton Oakmont, Inc. v. Prodigy Services Co., or alternatively, as distributors of content created by their users, Cubby, Inc. v. CompuServe Inc. The section’s authors, Representatives Christopher Cox and Ron Wyden, believed interactive computer services should be treated as distributors, not liable for the content they distributed, as a means to protect the growing Internet at the time.

  Section 230 was enacted as section 509 of the Communications Decency Act (CDA) of 1996 (a common name for Title V of the Telecommunications Act of 1996). After passage of the Telecommunications Act, the CDA was challenged in courts and was ruled by the Supreme Court in Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union (1997) to be unconstitutional, though Section 230 was determined to be severable from the rest of the legislation and remained in place. Since then, several legal challenges have validated the constitutionality of Section 230.

  Section 230 protections are not limitless and require providers to remove material that violates federal criminal law, intellectual property law, or human trafficking law. In 2018, Section 230 was amended by the Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act (FOSTA-SESTA) to require the removal of material violating federal and state sex trafficking laws. In the following years, protections from Section 230 have come under more scrutiny on issues related to hate speech and ideological biases in relation to the power that technology companies can hold on political discussions and became a major issue during the 2020 United States presidential election, especially with regard to alleged censorship of more conservative viewpoints on social media.

  Passed when Internet use was just starting to expand in both breadth of services and range of consumers in the United States, Section 230 has frequently been referred to as a key law, which allowed the Internet to develop.

  there.

  i did my part.

  now i must rest.

  source

  • CrackedLinuxISO@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    You make a good point, and one that I didn’t necessarily consider.

    Maybe it’s naïveté, but I do still imagine this case could be hypothetically won without trampling section 230. Mostly because we have actual evidence that Meta designs their products to be harmful: Whistleblower leaks and books hace clearly demonstrated that management works to juice profits at the cost of users. Eg: Collecting data about users with body-image issues and selling it to beauty advertisers. When you can point to actual emails between decision-makers saying “Ignore this problem, it makes too much money for us to solve”, I’d hope the case would revolve around not letting people prioritize shitty business decisions at the cost of people. Then theoretically, as long as you don’t have a bunch of lemmy mods coordinating similar practices, the case wouldn’t apply to them.

    Hmm, now that I type it out, that’s definitely a naïve take. I don’t expect to see actual justice against corporations in the USA any time soon.

    source