My thought was Kratom. My dad takes it to help his depression, lately though I think it’s turned into an addiction. I think it’s more of a personal addiction though. Like getting addicted to the effect of pills rather than the pill itself
Don’t try it unless you’re already hooked on something stronger or have godlike self-control. The problem with it is two-fold: effect strenght and availability. Honestly even codeine is a better “try and forget” option if you’re that curious, bc of these 2 reasons. Way weaker, annoying to extract, pretty low ceiling dose regardless of it’s form.
But honestly just stay the fuck away from opiates, there’s so much more shit that’s not gonna ruin you like they can.
Is Kratom an opioid? I’ve never had any plans to even consider it, but I had no idea it was one. Those issues you described though make a lot of sense on how he got hooked. He’s never had good self control and it’s easily available where I am
According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse: while Kratom isn’t an opioid, it can cause “opioid-like” and “stimulant-like” effects in the brain by activating “mu-opioid receptors”
So basically those are the two types of addiction. Iirc there’s either chemical or mental addiction where you can develop a dependence in either or both.
I think you’re mixing up physical and mental dependence. Opioids can legitimately help to the point that you depend on them to fix whatever you thought was unfixable (like anxiety, pain etc), physical dependence is taking it just so you feel normal and don’t go thru withdrawals.
At any rate I hope he finds something that works without the horrible downsides of opis
Physical addiction vs psychological addiction. Physical addiction gives withdrawal and in the worst cases might kill you e.g morphin. Psychological addiction is when you feel like you cannot live without it or you’re not yourself without it. E.g. weed or anabolic steroids for some people. Many drugs are a little bit of both and both should be taken seriously.
MyNameIsAtticus@lemmy.world 1 day ago
My thought was Kratom. My dad takes it to help his depression, lately though I think it’s turned into an addiction. I think it’s more of a personal addiction though. Like getting addicted to the effect of pills rather than the pill itself
real_squids@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
Don’t try it unless you’re already hooked on something stronger or have godlike self-control. The problem with it is two-fold: effect strenght and availability. Honestly even codeine is a better “try and forget” option if you’re that curious, bc of these 2 reasons. Way weaker, annoying to extract, pretty low ceiling dose regardless of it’s form.
But honestly just stay the fuck away from opiates, there’s so much more shit that’s not gonna ruin you like they can.
MyNameIsAtticus@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Is Kratom an opioid? I’ve never had any plans to even consider it, but I had no idea it was one. Those issues you described though make a lot of sense on how he got hooked. He’s never had good self control and it’s easily available where I am
rudyharrelson@lemmy.radio 1 day ago
According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse: while Kratom isn’t an opioid, it can cause “opioid-like” and “stimulant-like” effects in the brain by activating “mu-opioid receptors”
valek879@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Someone made this video that’s a pretty decent watch
youtu.be/TLObpcBR2yw
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
technically no, but essentially yes
real_squids@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
Yep, it’s method of action is different but the end result is the same
GreenDust@lemmings.world 1 day ago
what
MyNameIsAtticus@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’m not really sure how to put it into words. I think the words I’m looking for are a dependence vs. an addiction.
Dependence is like withdrawals and stuff from the chemical, while addiction is his brain is hooked on the effect that comes from taking it
EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 1 day ago
So basically those are the two types of addiction. Iirc there’s either chemical or mental addiction where you can develop a dependence in either or both.
real_squids@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
I think you’re mixing up physical and mental dependence. Opioids can legitimately help to the point that you depend on them to fix whatever you thought was unfixable (like anxiety, pain etc), physical dependence is taking it just so you feel normal and don’t go thru withdrawals.
At any rate I hope he finds something that works without the horrible downsides of opis
gray@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Physical addiction vs psychological addiction. Physical addiction gives withdrawal and in the worst cases might kill you e.g morphin. Psychological addiction is when you feel like you cannot live without it or you’re not yourself without it. E.g. weed or anabolic steroids for some people. Many drugs are a little bit of both and both should be taken seriously.