Comment on Why do they turn Federation into a dystopia?
Sertou@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Because from a literary and media standpoint, utopias are boring. The Federation has never been a utopia. It is a post scarcity society with utopian ideals, but with plenty of flaws to balance out those ideals. In the TOS era, those flaws included penal colonies, the death penalty, albeit for only one crime, contacting Talos IV and lots of infighting among member worlds.
Without conflict, there is no drama. Star Trek has long found conflict in pitting the Federation against less high-minded adversaries, the Klingons and Romulans, the Borg, the Cardassians and the Dominion, the Kazon, etc. That is fine but after 60 years it is also sort of played out.
To your point about Discovery, it’s first season took place before the Federation’s ideals were fully codified in policy - general order 1 had yet to become “the prime directive” for example.
TNG trek took place later and was closer to the utopian ideal. But still wasn’t perfect. The Federation tried to force Data to undergo study as a guinea pig and tried to take his daughter from him for the same reason, they supported unaligned worlds against internal dissent and left untold numbers of Federation citizens to the mercy of the Cardassians in the interest of keeping the peace.
During the Dominion War, the Federation was fine with setting aside it’s ideals as a matter of survival.
During the burn, the federation no longer had the resources to support it’s high ideals so it shrank and degenerated. Now. It is on the ascendant again, able to right past wrongs.
JustTesting@lemmy.hogru.ch 2 days ago
I think there’s still a lot of room to explore without abandoning the utopia setting. like we usually only see the spaceship stuff, but what about a more political drama taking place on member worlds, that kind of thing, i think it could be amazing.
also, as you say, it’s been done for 60 years. Might as well do the same thing over again for a new generation that hasn’t seen tos/tng/ds9. They don’t know it yet, so it’s not overused, and the TOS audience wouldn’t be the target audience anyways. and could still explore new topics. the audience isn’t the same, our world isn’t the same, making the same show again would still not be boring as it be a completely different thing.
Both approaches can work imo and have a place, without the need to go more dystopia.
Sertou@lemmy.world 2 days ago
My point is that there never was a utopian setting. Utopia’s are perfect by definition and therefore boring. The Federation is something much more interesting than a utopia. It’s an imperfect culture that aspires to better itself in the attempt to achieve utopian ideals. That it fails and tries again is part of what makes Star Trek interesting.